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Blue Dragon Breath and SAIs

 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:59 am GMT    Post subject: Blue Dragon Breath and SAIs Reply with quote

Jim Rayborn wrote:
Ok so here is the conflict...

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Any special result from an SAI that specifically states it has an effect during a dragon attack can also be
applied.


I'm asuming that "can also be applied" was in reference to Blue Breath.


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Blue Dragon Breath: ... Until the beginning of the target army's next turn, the only rolls the target army can make are save and save avoidance rolls. All other rolls are either not allowed, or, if a combination avoidance roll that includes saves, becomes simply and only a save avoidance roll.


this defeats the idea that a wayfare can work...
where a Smite (Dragon attack) has no result.


Unless the word Special and Normal in reference to Dragon Attacks separates these into different catagories.

That is a good distinction. Smite generates normal melee results during a dragon attack, and normal melee results don't count for anything during a save roll. Special/Unique results could be applied during a save roll.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:35 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any player that gets hit with a blue breath gets a save roll instead of dragon attack roll. Note that a normal dragon attack roll is simply a shorthand for Missile, Melee and Save Avoidance Roll. With the effect of a blue breath, that becomes simply a Save Avoidance Roll.

So any icon that works during a save roll would work. Cantrips, Counter, save icons, other save SAIs. So the player under the effects of a blue breath has a chance to kill the dragon with enough Counters. At which point he still gets to promote.

And before someone points this out, the normal rule during Missile and Melee that if there is no damage, means you don't get to roll for saves, does not apply here. This is not a save vs Missile or Melee, it's a save vs dragon attack. Or more accurately a Save Avoidance roll. Not a Save Roll. There are some small differences between the two. This is one.
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