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mst3k4ever · dragonfoal Joined: 17 Feb 2013 Posts: 7 Location: Toronto

From what I gather, people seem to consider 2 - rare, 4 - uncommon, 8 - common of each type (so, 10 rare, 20 uncommon, 40 common), 2 of each common monster, and 1 of each rare monster to be a "complete" army. Is there any particular reason for that? I can't see anything about it in the rules vis-a-vis limits on how many of any one die a person can use (just the amount of magic-using dice). And the amount seems excessive for 36-point games (or even 60-point games), since that adds up to 120+ points. Is it just for flexibility?

chuckpint · Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:30 pm GMT Post subject:

I don't know anyone that considers that a complete army. However, that is about right for a player's set of each race. In other words, that is how much most people collect in order to play.
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chuckpint · Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:55 pm GMT Post subject:

It just provides for optimal flexibility. You can field just about any reasonable army. Now if you want to have 60 Pelters for a Battlefest army (don't laugh, it's been done), then this isn't enough. But that's a rather weird case, and this will let you make most any army that normally is used in play.
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mst3k4ever · dragonfoal Joined: 17 Feb 2013 Posts: 7 Location: Toronto

Since I have to "cube" collectible games in order to play them (that is, in effect create a closed system/complete game) due to my gaming partners being almost entirely good-natured non-gamers, I had already mentally organized my collection around obtaining a "half set" of a bunch of races.

So, 1 rare, 2 uncommon, 4 common of each type, plus 1 of each monster (with duplicates acceptable where rare ones cannot be found, so that the total number of monsters works out). This is plenty of points to construct a varied 36-health army (and can make 60, though that is likely too large for my needs anyway).

However, I guess I might be under-representing magic units? I would only have a baseline of 11-health "pure" magic, right?

Hmm.

Urfaes · Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:17 pm GMT Post subject:

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Urfaes · Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:12 pm GMT Post subject:

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Urfaes · Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:29 pm GMT Post subject:

cliffwiggs · Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:46 pm GMT Post subject:

My 'players set' is at least 18 health of all but the most rare dice.

so I have 18 of each common, 9 of each uncommon, 6 of each rare, 4 of each monster.

That is what gives me the maximum flexibility to play most any 36 health army I want.
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cliffwiggs · Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:13 pm GMT Post subject:

mst3k4ever · dragonfoal Joined: 17 Feb 2013 Posts: 7 Location: Toronto

So, 185 dice per race? That seems like a lot... Smile

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Matthias Maccabeus · rare Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 1551 Location: Nebraska

Yeah I can see that being annoying when coming too magic. Our was just a straight up race to 2 8. I had tons of Cavalry and so did he if I remember correctly.

I know in our game. You had that grove and I forgot what I had (City maybe?), but it was just a magic (or lack of) back and forth with neither of us doing much to the other til time was called.
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shoesan · uncommon Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 641 Location: PA

Yeah, in our game, I made the mistake of taking the frontier 8 instead of sending my troops to where you were. My army wanted to fight, but I couldn't say no to the 8.
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There is another thread (or 2) on the forum about what the perfect sized collection is. For me, I would eventually like to have a collection similar to Cliff's, but for now I have a 'demo' set that I use to show off the game and allow new players/collectors to try out almost every die in the game. My demo set is 2 (r), 3 (u), 6 (c), 1 (m) in each class, in each race. I have all of the expansion dice represented (Magic Items, Artifacts, Hybrid Dragons, Acolytes, Dragonkin and even a King's die). I carry this set around in a fishing tackle box (on a small hand-truck). I think the 'demo' set is a practical one that could be achieved fairly easily (although it might take a little time and luck to acquire the Ormyrr, Magi, Ogre, Inferno, Unseelie Faerie, but it'll be worth it). Laughing

I use it at shows to demonstrate the diversity and the many options available for all kinds of play-styles.
I hope this helps,
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