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[cliffwiggs]

[piMaster]

If you want to make Web more interesting/useful that's fine. However, I cannot imagine why a webbed unit would be hurt/killed by the web.

Some ideas:

• make its effect unavoidable and last until the end of your next turn
• webbed units cannot leave the army they are in (i.e no retreating to reserves) (spells/SAIs that move units would still function as normal)
• web immobilizes the unit. During the player's initial effects phase, the webbed unit must make a successfl melee-avoidance roll or remain webbed that turn. This continues until the unit frees itself (or is killed)

[syntaxerror111]

[DEEPBLUEB2]

I did a whole revamp on extending webbed, entangled units in "how to make monsters more useful"
basically,
the concept is a unit is webbed, it stays webbed if the unit the rolled web does not roll...option.

Having Fly called out, I think Galestorm is really the only place where a specific SAI is "targeted" as a variable.

Maybe similar to Dan's thinking...

If a target unit generate maneuver results during this melee avoidance roll... then If it rolls a non SAI Maneuver icon it remains webbed.
If it rolls melee it is not webbed.
If it rolls a Fly icon (OR SAI Maneuver ICON) it suffers damage equal to its health, which it must make a save roll against.

[syntaxerror111]

I play Lava Elves, so I am no stranger to necromancy (in this case, thread necromancy)!

I was curious as to whether Web and other less used SAIs are being updated as part of the 3.0 ruleset. Its a crying shame that some monsters never see play because their SAIs are so weak!
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[cliffwiggs]

[shoesan]

How about it works as it does now, and in addition, any fly results rolled by the saving army during the save roll are not counted? Given the monsters it appears on (weak monsters), it would be nice to have an army effect like dispel magic, surprise, or trumpet, where it can have a moment of serious game-changing effect. But if its only power was to negate fly results, it would be a dead SAI against an army that had no flying units. I think adding this to the SAI would improve it greatly, yet still wouldn't overbalance it since it is found on weak monsters and would vary in usefulness depending on the opposing army (whether it had fly units or not).

It would be interesting in that it would anit-save the anti-magicking Frostwings!
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[cliffwiggs]

[Aravynn]

I like the web during a save result.

Another option could be to have web effect the opposing army in a maneuver attempt. It is something akin to setting up webs to capture prey on the move.

Something like: During a melee attack, choose up to four health-worth of units in the defending army to be webbed unless each targeted unit immediately rolls a melee result. During a Maneuver roll, minus 4 maneuvers from target army.

This also gives a distinct advantage to both web birds and driders - They are both 50% melee units and 30% maneuver, this would make them 50% for both, giving them versatility in a Cavalry based army.

[shoesan]

[syntaxerror111]

Because Web only appears on weak monsters, any change to it should be a significant increase in power. Otherwise it is all wasted effort. Making a weak SAI on two weak monsters slightly less weak will have no impact on the game.
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[stormywaters]

[syntaxerror111]

stormywaters,

I wholeheartedly agree that most monsters are not playable in a competitive sense. I would love to have a discussion about this (new topic perhaps?).
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[stormywaters]

[stormywaters]

It's up, still in the Rules forum.