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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:49 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beautyful example, Jim!

And after looking at the date of your post I was shocked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Geez, how long have I been gone??????????????

Well, feels like I've awakened from a Cinderella's sleep!
Oh well, certain life situations require certain actions, but I've recovered and I'm back (every once in a while, if not sitting in the middle of nowhere again, LOL!).
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:07 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:05 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, Jim!!! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 2:58 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

DiceGamer wrote:
Does anyone else have Lava Elves with hints of yellow in the die?


I'm working on scanning the Lava Elves for the bbCode Images,
and I ran into 2 types of Lava Elves from the original set.

Sun Lava Elves:

When viewed in sunlight,
You can see Gold in the Lava Elf Mix from the original Lava Elves.
There seems to be 2 distinct mixes,
one with Gold and one without Gold.
The first two examples are Lava Elves with Gold.
(or Sun Lava Elves)
The Example of the Necromancer does not have Gold.
The Gold is most visible when well light with a bright light.
Here I'm using a scanner.


Note:
This is just an example of plastic mixes and has no effect on game play.
The lava elf does not gain gold.



Duelist Saves (Sun Lava Elf)


Another Duelist Maneuvers (Sun Lava Elf)


Necromancer Magic (This is an example of no Gold)


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:30 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Murky Coral Elves:

The new starters have a plastic mix which I like to call "Murky".


The starters have also been named Dark.
I have found that the names "Sun" and "Shade" also work to help define the diffent plastic mixes.



Murky Coral Giant
I got this one in GenCon Sealed Box

Also "Dark Coral Giant", "Shade Coral Giant"




Sun Coral Giant

I might also add that the original Coral Elves also had another mix,
of hard sharp contrast.
I don't have a name for that yet.....

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The distinct grainy pattern I called - you guess it - "grainy"


However the Mecenary Bowmen seem to be only from the Sun Coral Elves variety.


The Coral Elf Drake shown here is an Excellent Example of Murky:



Murky Coral Elf Drake


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:08 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then it's safe to say that "Sun Coral Elves" are from the first production run of the original starters. We have known fact that the Mercenary was only the in the first run. Then the mold was changed. I asked about that before we ran new starters, and the mold change was confirmed. We know there were at least two runs with the first four races. There may have been a third run but not for the starters, but for Monsters & Amazons. Some of that history is murky at this point.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:36 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Jim!

Too bad that I still can't see your pics, so I don't know what color variation you're referring to.
Maybe you could take a quick look at my homepage
www.rattlerhome.de
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www.dragondicer.com
(link in my signature)

Scroll down on the page "Dieter's Dragon Diceā„¢".
I uploaded two pics of the Coral Elves. The distinct grainy pattern I called - you guess it - "grainy" CE, the lesser distinct color separation I called "washed" CE. Let me know which ones you call "murky" and "sun".
I didn't post a pic of the "dark" CE there, I couldn't catch the difference good enough in photos. They simply looked like the grainy ones after photographing them.

I never noticed any remarkable color difference in LE, nor Dwarves, except for the fact that some were not as bright, sort of "milky" looking, but you could hardly notice the difference.
I never found any gold in LE, but I didn't use a microscope Wink

I'll go and check the internet cafe tonight, maybe I can see your pics there??? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:49 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Murky is the new Starter Coral Elves.
(Which also can be called Shade or Dark)

"Grainy" is the second run of Coral Elves.

"Washed" is the Sun Coral Elves...which Chuck has mentioned are the first run and only run with Mercenary Bowmen.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:35 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got it!

Haven't seen the new ones yet!

I'm at the internet cafe right now. Your pics don't show here either!!!
Maybe some "international incompatibility problem?? (dunno if something like that exists?)

What about the other, non-american, forum members?
Since nobody reported any probs yet, I take it that y'all don't have any probs with Jim's pics???

Well, the problem is definitely not in my PC or my connection, since all German PCs I used couldn't show the pics so far.

I'm clueless! Rolling Eyes Confused
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:49 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

well I'm going to email my provider.....
maybe they can shed some light on this.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:02 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Rayborn wrote:
well I'm going to email my provider.....
maybe they can shed some light on this.


Great, thanx!
Just tried it with Micro$oft IE, same result! Nothing!
Now I'm really running out of options, I hope your provider can help?!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:51 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

After careful study, there seems to be a 4th type of Coral Elves.
I would like to call this... Azurite

Azurite is a gemstone.
The main distinguishing feature is a darker blue, high contrast green.
Azurite is also known as the Stone of Heaven.

So here are the 4 types:



Sun Washed: including Mercenary Bowmen
Azurite: which I have only seen in common units, but that is just my collection.
Grainy: including Coastland Minor terrains
Murky Dark: new starters and Coral Elf Dragons and new starter Coastland Terrains


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:48 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't see it, but from your description it sounds like the "dark" ones I mentioned above. I have about 40 of them, all commons too. I never saw anything else but commons in that color.
That's why I didn't place a picture of them on my homepage. I was waiting for others and never got any, and the difference didn't get distinct on the pics.

(on second thought, I got a better camera now, maybe I should try again. Gotta update my hp anyway)
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:53 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did not want to use the reference to Dark, as I am referring to the new starters as "Dark".
The Azurite commons are quite brilliant.
The Grainy tend to look dull.
The Sun version vary from very washed to normal looking.

The new starter gold dragon is not dark,
it is in fact far lighter.
Chuck has mentioned calling this a Yellow dragon, and the original called a Gold Dragon, as far as reference is concerned, not game play of course.
I think it should be called.....
Yellow Gold Dragon
sounds more precious that way. Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:07 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Rayborn wrote:

I think it should be called.....
Yellow Gold Dragon
sounds more precious that way. Cool


Wouldn't that suggest the assumption that there are Gold Dragons of other colors as well? Mr. Green Laughing

-Faded Gold Dragon
-Crystal Gold Dragon (transparent = less bright color)
-Sunrise Gold Dragon (...and Sunset Gold Dragon for the darker one)
.....respectively Dawn and Dusk Gold Dragons
-Watery Gold Dragon

..........................................Rolling Eyes Question Rolling Eyes Confused Question

Does the lighter color refer to SFR Dragons? I got told they're darker than the older ones? *scratches head* Question
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:15 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yellow Gold Dragon=SFR new starter Gold Dragon

it is a light yellow color than the old ones.

I could post a picture..... but that won't help you since you can't seem to see my images. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:00 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also I would like to add a little foot note about SFR Drakes:

It would seem that after many dragons,
the original mold must have become worn out on the Drake tail tip.
After doing the scans for piMaster's DD Inventory Program, I mistakenly scanned a New Black Drake,
and noticed the tail tip of the Drake was exactly like the Hybrids/Ivory/and White Drakes.
So I redid it with an original black dragon.

The difference is the scales in the tip of the tail are larger on the original Drakes.(Larger holes and thinner lines)
I believe that the mold was re-tooled or the tail tip was redone,
as the scales are predominantly smaller and more defined.(Thicker Lines)
This is all based on observation, as I have no other knowledge.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:20 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a picture for you. It's huge, so it may take a little while to fully download. It's stored om my home server, so it has to fight back up the upstream side of my home DSL line (768K in theory).


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:01 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Rayborn wrote:
Yellow Gold Dragon=SFR new starter Gold Dragon

it is a light yellow color than the old ones.


I know, I just suggested some alternate names, since ALL Gold Dragons actually are yellow, whether lighter or darker yellow. Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:11 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Rayborn wrote:

The difference is the scales in the tip of the tail are larger on the original Drakes.


I can't confirm.
Quickly checked my drakes, old TSR vs new SFR Drakes:

Some of my older Drakes (e.g. the Black Drakes (TSR) have very fine lines, some Hybrid Drakes (SFR) have thicker lines, my White Drakes(SFR) again have fine thin lines.

I already discovered this in other dice as well. Some faces have thinner lines, some have thicker lines.
I didn't measure the dice's diameters with micrometers, but I think some dice are simply polished down a bit more, leaving thinner lines (less deep).

I even have two Dragons with only half an ID. It's not the ink that's missing, it's actually part of the engraving that's missing.

I'd say, these deviations from standard are evenly distributed in pretty much every production run. Rolling Eyes Question


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