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Black Jack
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:56 am GMT    Post subject: Charge Reply with quote

I find nowhere the rules for charge in melee in the new rulebook.
Where can i find them or why are they no more in the rules?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:29 am GMT    Post subject: Re: Charge Reply with quote

Black Jack wrote:
I find nowhere the rules for charge in melee in the new rulebook.
Where can i find them or why are they no more in the rules?


Charge was removed from the game, it doesn't exist anymore.
The rules for charging caused lots of confusion amongst players and also unbalanced the game to the favor of melee fighting.

Again: this rule was changed/deleted for game balance reasons and for simplification of the rules.

There's still many players who love charging, but since it is not official part of the rules anymore, it would be a "house rule" which you can play at home with your friends but not in official competitions anymore!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:11 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

See this old topic for more information on why charge was removed from the game.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:07 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've previously mentioned that I like to keep charge in as a house rule, but I'm going to do a little occasional agitating toward it being officially reinstated with whatever necessary tweaks. I can't vouch for new player confusion with any certainty, but it sure doesn't feel to me as though charging should be terribly hard to grasp; it's just a bloodier alternative to normal melee (skirmishing, as we grognards remember it). As to it unbalancing the game toward melee, I'm not sure that's a bad thing; my game of tonight made it look as though melee combat is usually pure suicide and pointless besides. Reinstituting charge might make it necessary for players to get their hands dirty again, while as it stands the game seems to boil down to just one player lucking into an early 8th face and then casting magic all game to wear away enemy forces.

Far be it from me to question the superior wisdom of people who get to play the game more than four times a year, but I still think there's probably a way charging could work again, and I'm inclined to think it should.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:40 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

We tried really hard to keep it. In the end, it was easier to get rid of it. Game balance was the biggest problem. Maneuver is a very necessary icon if you want to turn terrains up to win. Giving your maneuver icons the extra ability of also being melee is too much. So it's really a fundamental flaw. It also tended to skew people to "death" races. What better combination was Charging with an Open Grave? We also thought about getting rid of Open Grave and instead giving black a 2-point 1-save type spell like Stone Skin and Watery Double.

The closest we got was this: instead of the charging army adding manuever and melee together for the attack, simply double the melee results. Still don't get a save. On the other hand, the other army still gets saves and melee back. So why did we still have a problem? Simply put: Open Grave. Still made black too deadly. Only races with access to black magic would even think about charging.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 3:45 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, yes, I see. Definitely don't nerf Open Grave, it's a cool spell. I guess charging is live-withoutable. I'll probably just use it as a house rule and disallow combining it with Open Grave, or even allow it for anyone else who thinks of the combination but not use it myself.
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