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chuckpint White Dragon SFR President Site Admin
Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 9144 Location: Evanston, IL

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Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:32 pm GMT Post subject: |
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Quote: | Rend: Normal (maneuver); Instant Normal (melee)
During a maneuver roll, each Rend result generates one maneuver result. During a melee attack or melee avoidance roll, each Rend result generates one melee result; roll this unit again and apply the new result as well. |
Note the sentence says that "During a melee attack or melee avoidance roll....". It's saying that for a melee avoidance roll, it generates melee and you reroll. But, now I'm wondering if you are asking the wrong question. There is currently only one melee avoidance roll in the game, that's when you are rolling to avoid the damage of a Wall of Thorns spell. Only melee results count, saves do nothing to avoid the damage from that spell. If you are talking about the save roll after your army has been attacked by another army during a melee action, that is not a melee avoidance roll, that is a save roll. During a save roll, Rend does nothing, and is not rerolled. Only Counter gives you saves and damage back against an army, that's it's special. _________________ You can never have too many dice.
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Loaded--Dice dragonmount
Joined: 19 Aug 2013 Posts: 29 Location: Cotopaxi, CO

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Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:43 pm GMT Post subject: |
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That's what it was. I was (for some reason) thinking a save roll and melee avoidance roll were the same. That answers it for me. Thanks very much.
As a side note, would "Web" count for a melee avoidance roll? _________________ 755 Dragon Dice⢠and counting. |
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piMaster rare Stockholder
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3235 Location: Rockford, IL

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Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:49 pm GMT Post subject: |
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Yes, Web is a melee avoidance roll. |
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Loaded--Dice dragonmount
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:55 pm GMT Post subject: |
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Hi. I've got a couple more questions.
With Ash Storm, say, it's a 4 player game, and 3 Ash Storms are cast on 1 terrain. Does the caster choose what they go toward? Are they locked on that choice, or does it change depending on what is being rolled for?
I assume it affects everyone at the terrain.
Any suggestions for dice, and or spell combinations that negate an opponents magic fairly well?
Thanks! _________________ 755 Dragon Dice⢠and counting. |
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piMaster rare Stockholder
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3235 Location: Rockford, IL

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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 11:04 pm GMT Post subject: |
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Loaded--Dice wrote: | With Ash Storm, say, it's a 4 player game, and 3 Ash Storms are cast on 1 terrain. Does the caster choose what they go toward? |
No, the army's owner decides which results get penalized.
Quote: | I assume it affects everyone at the terrain. |
Yes.
Quote: | Any suggestions for dice, and or spell combinations that negate an opponents magic fairly well? |
Dancing Lights, Ashstorm, Dispel Magic, Magic Negation, Magic Drain. |
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Loaded--Dice dragonmount
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Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 6:12 pm GMT Post subject: |
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piMaster wrote: | Loaded--Dice wrote: | With Ash Storm, say, it's a 4 player game, and 3 Ash Storms are cast on 1 terrain. Does the caster choose what they go toward? |
No, the army's owner decides which results get penalized. |
So, I may be being a bit dense here, but wouldn't it naturally go for melee if I'm rolling for melee, magic for magic, etc?
I'm pretty sure you can't designate the penalty toward something you're not rolling for. I could see it being a free choice for a combination roll.
Thanks for your patience while I attempt to comprehend this. =] _________________ 755 Dragon Dice⢠and counting. |
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cliffwiggs SFR Treasurer Chief Wheedler SDA - Rules NitPicker
Joined: 25 Jan 2005 Posts: 10783 Location: Cumming, GA - USA

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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:06 pm GMT Post subject: |
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You are correct. The penalty must be taken off something that the army is rolling for. In something like a dragon attack where you are rolling for multiple results at once, you can take it off any of the results or split it anyway you wish. _________________ Multiplayer Champion Gencon11/Battlefest Champion(tied) GenCon10/World Champion GenCon07/National Champion Origins05/Intermediate Champion GenCon02/Novice Champion Origins99 |
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chuckpint White Dragon SFR President Site Admin
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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:16 pm GMT Post subject: |
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It can get even weirder when playing a race that can convert maneuvers to saves or the like. So when you are rolling for saves, you can only apply penalties like Ash Storm to your save results. So you might have the situation like this:
The Coastland terrain has 4 Ash Storms cast on it. Your Coral Elf army at that terrain must roll for saves. You get 3 actual saves (save icons or IDs) and 6 maneuvers. So you end up with 6 saves. How? The rules never allow a result to go below zero. Since you first subtract, your saves go from 3 to -1, which gets adjusted to zero. Assuming nothing to divide or multiply, your next step is to convert via your racial ability, so those 6 maneuvers become 6 saves. Assuming nothing to add, your final result is 6 saves. _________________ You can never have too many dice.
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Loaded--Dice dragonmount
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 12:44 pm GMT Post subject: |
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Awesome! Thanks guys.
Chuck, that situation actually popped up last night. I'm glad we played it out correctly. =] _________________ 755 Dragon Dice⢠and counting. |
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Loaded--Dice dragonmount
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:28 pm GMT Post subject: |
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Another question popped up, now that I've acquired some White Dragons.
The rules state:
White Dragon Breath (Terrain Empathy): Inflict as many breaths as the terrain has colors. Each breath is the same as one of the terrain colors.
Now, are the deaths from the breath counted for each breath? (ex. 2 breaths = 10 damage + status effects for each breath?) Or is it 5 damage + status effects for each breath?
Thanks in advance! _________________ 755 Dragon Dice⢠and counting. |
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cliffwiggs SFR Treasurer Chief Wheedler SDA - Rules NitPicker
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:46 pm GMT Post subject: |
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Each breath resolves separately.
So it is 5 damage per color that the terrain has (yes, there is ONE way to get all five colors for maximum damage, but it's hard to pull off) _________________ Multiplayer Champion Gencon11/Battlefest Champion(tied) GenCon10/World Champion GenCon07/National Champion Origins05/Intermediate Champion GenCon02/Novice Champion Origins99 |
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Loaded--Dice dragonmount
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 8:50 pm GMT Post subject: |
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Ooh, you tempt my curiosity. _________________ 755 Dragon Dice⢠and counting. |
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chuckpint White Dragon SFR President Site Admin
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:10 pm GMT Post subject: |
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White dragon rolls breath at a Flatland that has Call Water, Create Mountain, and Deadlands all cast on it. _________________ You can never have too many dice.
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Battlefest tied for first GenCon 2012
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Loaded--Dice dragonmount
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:51 pm GMT Post subject: |
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I don't think I'd like to be the recipient of that. >< _________________ 755 Dragon Dice⢠and counting. |
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BBrauser dragonsteed
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Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 6:01 am GMT Post subject: |
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If you have a dragon slayer in your army, your fine!! _________________ Bryan Brauser
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