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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:39 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good news and Bad News.

The Bad News... Cliff can be proved wrong.

The Good News... I found the missing missiles from the Assassin. You'll never guess where they were...



Battle is confusing with everyone dropping their weapons and picking up other peoples weapons instead.

While I wouldn't mind playing with a super powered Assassin, this poor Conqueror is a horrible Heavy Melee unit. He only has one great big sword...

I'm off to get ALL the lava elves now to see what else I can find.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:29 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

cliffwiggs wrote:
I don't have the details yet, but I suspect this is NOT like the goblin misprints.(ie a swapped face)

If I recall correctly, when a mold wears out the factory will replace it. If that is the case here and the replacement was not keyed like the original, then that could allow faces to be swapped.

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Yes, that is one thing we will try to validate.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:41 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

piMaster wrote:

We'll change it to a Sneak Attack SAI. That should help him out Cool


a 1 pt sneak attack? that would be interesting Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:48 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well then someone should be able to figure out what the mismatch is with the other LE rares...
perhaps a Necromancer with 5 wings? Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:03 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

DEEPBLUEB2 wrote:
Well then someone should be able to figure out what the mismatch is with the other LE rares...
perhaps a Necromancer with 5 wings? Laughing
I've checked several other kickers and didn't find any other misprints yet.

still in discussions trying to prove that the die I hold in my hand exists and is not what we wanted.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:33 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

For what it's worth Cliff, I opened up a whole intact case of lava elves, and an extra three packs, and didn't get one assassin. I doubt it has any relation to this misprint, but it is curious.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:36 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

shoesan wrote:
For what it's worth Cliff, I opened up a whole intact case of lava elves, and an extra three packs, and didn't get one assassin. I doubt it has any relation to this misprint, but it is curious.


That is curious.

BTW - as expected the first round has gone as expected...
"You screwed up, here is the proof"
"No we didn't, here is a completely different die that looks normal"
"We found more ways you scred up, here is the proof"
"No we didn't, can you send it to us"
"BTW - we found MORE examples of how you screwed up, here is the proof"
...

So that last one comes to us courteous of Chuck and Paul. Thank you guys for finding this. It is my favorite because it is Proof beyond Proof beyond Proof that the MOLD WAS PHYSICALLY CHANGED!



BTW - you might be asking yourself now or in a month or in three years. Why is Cliff posting all of this? The reason? Transparency. I won't complain about someone hiding something from me and then turn around and hide it from you. At First we didn't believe the claim. We've had years of people trying to pass off misprints and we've never found a real one. So we were doubtful. This isn't something we can hide so why would we even try?

What is the eventual outcome of this going to be? I don't know yet. We might have to just live with it, we might have to recall them. I just don't know yet.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:11 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

In case you were wondering, this made me need some lava elves new kickers.

Good marketing move, guys!

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:15 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

danilo wrote:
In case you were wondering, this made me need some lava elves new kickers.

Good marketing move, guys!

Wink


There are many things I might do for marketing, but this isn't one of them...

However, if we do recall these it would make them a lot more rare (hint hint)
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:18 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

cliffwiggs wrote:
danilo wrote:
In case you were wondering, this made me need some lava elves new kickers.

Good marketing move, guys!

Wink


There are many things I might do for marketing, but this isn't one of them...

However, if we do recall these it would make them a lot more rare (hint hint)


buy buy buy!
up it goes, the need ! Wink

(hey it was just a joke, eh)
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:49 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

danilo wrote:
In case you were wondering, this made me need some lava elves new kickers.

Good marketing move, guys!

Wink


This has the opposite effect on me. I don't have Lava Elves yet, but was nearing the point of starting them. Now I feel compelled to wait even longer.

Then again, maybe it does work. As a result I may end up starting on Coral Elves.....they don't seem to receive as much love anyway. So maybe this works to push up sales of them! Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:20 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to make it VERY clear for future readers.

I would much prefer this error had not happened. It was in no way done on purpose.

As for choosing to buy the lava elves or not. I will tell you that we have asked the distributors to put a hold on sending any more to game stores until we get a resolution with the factory that produced the dice. We are continuing to sell these on our company website.

This is a balance that allows those who WANT the misprints (you know who we are) to purchase them, but will keep them away from the majority of players who don't follow this forum.

That reminds me, I should update the online product descriptions and post something to facebook...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:28 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

How should we name this unit?

Mercenary LE does not fit.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:50 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are two misprint: Assassin with 5 swords, and Conqueror with 3 pistols. Assassin Swordsman? Conqueror Marksman?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:51 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you feel charitable with the poor conqueror (seriously, he is almost worse than a Duelist for melee attack !), you could call him the spanish conqueror, since apparently he prefer to look impressive with his rifle than be actually efficient.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:37 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
the MOLD WAS PHYSICALLY CHANGED!


Yes I believe it to be so...
As I mentioned years ago...
the CE uncommons from the SFR 2-player starter were revamped...
simple look at the conjurer's 2 melee.
So they must have broken the mold and replaced it without alerting SFR.
In doing so...the altered the Melee's artwork constraints.


here.. I see a misaligned melee...
so no mold error...
that is, no mismatch issues,
rather someone screwed up the reconstruction.

So we did here of a CE rare misprint...
I would guess the same here.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:44 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

So names...
these may be the "Defectors".... (pun intended)
to the Eldarim Race. Wink


Assassin Defector
Conqueror Defector


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 11:06 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Three Gun Conqueror
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Gunned Conqueror

Not sure if gun fits, because it's a pistol.

The other one:
Blade Assassin
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:03 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Full disclosure time...

1) While printing the Lava Elf Kickers the mold began to produce unacceptable dice. Maintenance was performed. Errors were sadly made. Processes are being put into place to avoid this in the future (we hope).

2) The error is being corrected so the incorrect dice won't ever exist again.

3) There are only three errors, The Assassin with the 5 swords, The Conqueror with the 3 guns, The Conqueror with tilted swords.

4) They all have the same frequency: Each of these only occurs 1 in 70 kickers. Said another way, if you got a perfect distribution of kickers and bought 70, then you would get one of each. Said another way, only one out of 23.333333 kickers contains an error of some kind.

5) The tilted swords will continue to be tournament legal. The other two dice will be legal in sealed events, but not in constructed events. This is identical to how the infamous Goblin misprints from the 90's is handled.

6) If you don't want your misprinted dice, then contact me via a PM for the process and SFR will replace it with the correct unit.

That is all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:26 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lets make "officially" agreed upon names for these, I want to update my checklists Smile


I'd suggest: Bladefury Assassin or just Bladefury for short.
Pistol packer for the conqueror as he seems to be preferring the pistol over his sword.
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