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Armin
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 Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 4:56 am GMT Post subject: Deutsche Regeluebersetzung |
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Hallo an alle deutschsprachigen Forum Nutzer
schon verschiedentlich habe ich hier den Wunsch aus verschiedenen Laendern gehoert, die Regeln in die Landessprache zu uebersetzen. Fuer
einen Einzelnen ist das recht viel Arbeit. Ich denke aber das man eine Uebersetzung gemeinsam schaffen kann.
Interesse? Lust sich zu beteiligen?
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Deeghter
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Hallo Armin!
Ja, ich wollte mich auch schon dransetzen, aber momentan werfen grosse Ereignisse Ihre Schatten voraus (neuer Job!) und sollte alles so eintreffen wie geplant, dann hab' ich noch nicht mal Zeit für einen Teil davon! Entscheidet sich wahrscheinlich noch kommende Woche.
Vor zwei Tagen hätte ich noch gesagt ich hab' die komplette Übersetzung in 14 Tagen fertig, aber nun....!
Wir werden sehen...! 
Spell checker goes "TILT" again!! 
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Some DD fans also go "TILT" because they can't find the "German translation for Leopard Rider"!!!
It's on page 4 or 5 of this thread, but for the lazy ones, here it is again:
LEOPARD RIDER (engl.) = LEOPARDREITER!!!!(in German)
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Armin
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 5:29 am GMT Post subject: |
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Macht ueberhaupt nichts, ich habe vor sechs Jahren mal begonnen und war auch schon fast fertig, da kommt es auf 14 Tage mehr auch nicht an  . |
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 6:43 am GMT Post subject: |
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| Armin wrote: | | Macht ueberhaupt nichts, ich habe vor sechs Jahren mal begonnen und war auch schon fast fertig, da kommt es auf 14 Tage mehr auch nicht an . |
Umm...... yeah! What he said!
This makes me believe I now know how other forumites feel when trying to figure out one of Steve or I's wackier posts. I just scratch my head and accept that it's here, even though I don't understand a word of it.
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Armin
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 6:51 am GMT Post subject: forum correctness |
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Sorry, it wasn' intended to upset any of the native english speakers.
This topic is to discuss with the german players, if we can make a german rules translation in team work.
Maybe with this it would be possible to regain the old world as a market for sfr.
By the way, who does the spanisch, french, italian ... (somewhere i read about dutch).
Armin
(This time the spell checker didn't have so many problems.) |
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 6:53 am GMT Post subject: |
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| Majiken wrote: | | Armin wrote: | | Macht ueberhaupt nichts, ich habe vor sechs Jahren mal begonnen und war auch schon fast fertig, da kommt es auf 14 Tage mehr auch nicht an . |
Umm...... yeah! What he said!
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= doesn't matter at all, I began(translating them) six years ago and had almost completed it, so don't bother it taking 14 days more!
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 6:57 am GMT Post subject: Re: forum correctness |
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| Armin wrote: | | Sorry, it wasn' intended to upset any of the native english speakers. |
Sorry, it wasn't upsetting. Just another opportunity for Joe to step in and say something off the wall, as usual.
Okay, back to the South with me now!
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Armin
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 7:00 am GMT Post subject: |
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you're welcome
(maybe chuck thinks different) |
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 9:49 am GMT Post subject: |
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I've already begun to write a dictionary Dragon Dice™ - German; German - Dragon Dice™. Since there will be a lot of comments it could be added to the German rules as some sort of glossary.
Most important for such a translation is that we all use the same German names. This probably has to go first.
What does Chuck prefer? Should it be an exact 1:1 translation of the advanced rules, or should we try to improve those rules and write them in our own way (of course without changing the rules)?
I've visited literature-workshops for several years but my problem is: Whenever I'm going to write something I tend to do it more perfect than Monk (from the TV series) (which leads to the point that I've got a lot of unfinished texts). Currently I have time to translate. |
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 10:04 am GMT Post subject: |
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| Autpost wrote: |
What does Chuck prefer? Should it be an exact 1:1 translation of the advanced rules, or should we try to improve those rules and write them in our own way (of course without changing the rules)? |
Well, my name's not Chuck but if I'm allowed to add my opinion, then I would say: Stay as close to the original text as possible! Of course some names or terms should be changed since they either don't work in German or simply sound pretty uncool (a fantasy game always seems to be supposed to have interesting, fantastic names).The Feral for example have no synonym in German, they would simply be called The Wild or The Beasts (for beasts sounding very boring in German. Beast is rather used to describe a bad behaving girl than a wild, fiery monster-like creature). Therefore you would have to come up with a totally different name without changing the meaning. But besides that I wouldn't try to "improve" the original or translate it "free", not to mention that this would mostly lead to 50% more pages! (rules are already complex enough!)
But that's just my personal opinion, dunno what the others think!
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Armin
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| Posted: Sat May 21, 2005 10:10 am GMT Post subject: |
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I have the same opinion to stick to the advanced rules as close as possible.
First I would start with the keywords of the game meaning all about the setup, marches..., Second the SAI and Spells. The names for the races and individual units (being the hardest for translation) should be last. |
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Armin
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| Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 7:53 am GMT Post subject: Was gibt es bereits? |
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Mir ist noch nicht klar, wer hier schon wieviel hat!
Ich habe folgendes:
- die ersten 44 Seiten des DCM komplett übersetzt mit den meisten Symbolen und Bildern als Word Dokument (ca. 6MB), alle Bilder sind drin. - einen Symbolführer mit fast allen Symbolen bis zu den Skaldern (wie ich sie damals nannte, klingt immer noch interessanter als Brüher) ebenfalls 6MB als word-dokument. Bei vielen Einheiten nur der Versuch einer Übersetzung.
- 7 Seiten Corel-Draw mit Zauberspruchkarten
Nachteil: alle Datein nicht up to date, da basierend auf dem DCM ca. 1999/2000
aktuell habe ich die Advanced Rules 1.5g (die neueste und laut Chuck wohl letzte für dieses Jahr als englische word-Datei ergänzt um
a) alle Symbole, einschließlich Treefolk und derer die TSR/SFR vergessen hat
b) der Dice Layouts wie im DCM, alle Symbole von mir neu gemacht
c) aktuell arbeite ich an einem Update der englischen FAQ aus dem DCM ergänzt um die Rules Changes von 2001 (offizell damals) und der nicht ganz so offiziellen FAQ bezüglich Magestrom, Scalder und Frostwings (seinerzeit von Dave Papay erstellt)
Die Datei ist mittlererweile auf 30MB angewachsen, Tendenz wegen der vielen Bilder steigen und da fehlt noch der History, Strategie und Collectors Part.
Mein Vorschlag ist immer noch, die aktuellen Advanced Rules von vorne beginnend nach den Keywords durchzuforsten, diese auf eine Liste zu packen, ggf. die "alte" TSR übersetzung ergänzen und dann gemeinsam einen neuen und endgültigen Gebrauch festzulegen.
Man könnte das (da wir wohl drei (naja vorerst zwei ) zu sein scheinen) wie folgt aufteilen:
einer den Regeltext durchforsten
zweiter die SAI
dritter die Spells.
Andere Vorschläge? |
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anset
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| Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 9:47 am GMT Post subject: |
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hi,
I may be wrong but I think I remember that only the translations for the latest rules will get a place on the official SFR site.
Maybe the DDRC page has a place for translations of the older (DCM) rules...
I may be wrong though...
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Armin
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| Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 10:29 am GMT Post subject: |
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| Anonymous wrote: | | That's why I proposed to start with the newest rules. BTW I am curious who will be the the one to approve the translation as official? |
forgot to log in, never knew a guest could post a message. Armin |
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| Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 11:14 am GMT Post subject: Re: Was gibt es bereits? |
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| Armin wrote: |
Mein Vorschlag ist immer noch, die aktuellen Advanced Rules von vorne beginnend nach den Keywords durchzuforsten, diese auf eine Liste zu packen, ggf. die "alte" TSR übersetzung ergänzen und dann gemeinsam einen neuen und endgültigen Gebrauch festzulegen.
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BINGO! Ich denke auch, daß es wenig Zweck hat, die alten Sachen aufzuwärmen und nachzuwürzen! (Schade um die viele Arbeit!!).
Aber mit den neuen Regeln von vorne zu beginnen verspricht wohl der schnellere Weg zu sein, außerdem wäre diese Vorgehensweise auch weniger fehleranfällig.
Dein bebildertes Regelwerk würde mich aber mal extremst interessieren, denn das Fehlen der Icons ist - finde ich - der einzige grosse Mangel an der ansonsten lobenswerten Regelverbesserung/ - erweiterung.
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| Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 11:57 am GMT Post subject: |
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Admit it! You guys are planning to invade SFR 
The German is just to disguise your plans from all of us Americans who couldn't bother to learn a second language.  |
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What you can't read German? guess that's something not everyone can do, I can't write it or speak it but can read it some what.
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| riolis wrote: | | What you can't read German? guess that's something not everyone can do, I can't write it or speak it but can read it some what. |
So are they making fart jokes or planning to conquer SFR using slingshots and their excess common dice? |
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Armin
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| Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 1:04 pm GMT Post subject: |
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maybe we will next on the way south or was it east 
For everyone who needs help try
http://dict.leo.org/
it's a fantastic online dictionary english/german which i use sometimes
(no dieter, they don't know a nice word for feral and scalders either  ) |
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| Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 1:28 pm GMT Post subject: |
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| Armin wrote: | maybe we will next on the way south or was it east
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It was EAST, Armin, E A S T
There's only one guy who can speak German in the SOUTH!
So there won't be much entertainment in German for us down there! Who knows, we might even end up tied to a pole next to a campfire with two middle aged fellas jumping around the flames singing "Ach wie gut dass niemand weiss...."  (What's the English translation for this sentence taken from the "Rumpelstilzchen" fairy tale??)
Is this topic going to be the "FAR EAST"?? 
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