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DialFforFunky
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:07 pm GMT    Post subject: Old grudges reawoken! [Reeser60504 vs. DialFforFunky] Reply with quote

Reeser60504 honoured me with a challenge for a 30point duel, and I was more than happy to oblige! Lets see if I can shake off the dust.

Rules: 30 points standard construction, no dragonkin / items / minor terrains.


Turn Sequence: to be determined.
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DialFforFunky
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DialFforFunky
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DialFforFunky
DialFforFunky
Home Army
reeser60504's Home
Frontier
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reeser60504
Home Army
reeser60504
reeser60504
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reeser60504
Reserve Army
reeser60504
Summoning Pool
reeser60504
DUA
reeser60504
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:03 pm GMT    Post subject: My Set-Up Reply with quote

Thanks you for accepting my challenge.

Turn Sequence: Funky, Steve

Turn Sequence: Funky, Steve

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Funky's Home
Steve
Home Army
Steve
Steve
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Steve
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Steve
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Steve
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Steve
BUA


Assuming that my set-up is correct, I will roll for Starting Player/Terrain Choice



Looks like 5 to me. I honestly have no idea what I want to do if I win, so go ahead and let me know if I even get to choose.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:13 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turns out I needed to correct a small error where an Oak Lord was pretending to be a Eldar Dryad.

Also, that is one nice army composition - almost the polar opposite of mine. This should be interesting!

Turn Sequence: To be determined

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reeser60504's Home
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reeser60504
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reeser60504
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reeser60504
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reeser60504
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reeser60504
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reeser60504
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Frontier roll:


I lose the roll, so the choice is yours!

Also: let me know if it is more convenient for you to keep the board instead of me. I like keeping boards and wouldn't mind seeing how much time it takes to be boardkeeper, but I'm certainly not dead-set on it.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:41 am GMT    Post subject: And we're off... Reply with quote

You're welcome to keep the board. I like to upload moves using the DD Inventory App and sometimes will load my half of the board for reference. Keeps me sharp, but the main responsibility is yours.

I'm going to choose to let you set the Frontier Terrain and I'll go first.

Rolling for My Home Terrain:


LOL. Magic 2

Exactly what I was hoping to avoid. I'll wait for your terrain rolls before taking my marches.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:04 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I'll choose the coastland for the Frontier then.

Terrain rolls:



becomes

Looks like we've got an intense early game on our hands!

Turn Sequence: reeser60504, DialFforFunky

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reeser60504
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DialFforFunky
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DialFforFunky
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:55 am GMT    Post subject: My First Reply with quote

Beginning Phase:
Expire Effects: None
Racial Abilities Step: None
Eighth Face Step: None
Dragon Attack Phase: None
Army Phase:
First March: My Home Army at My Home Terrain
Maneuver:

Total: 2. If you counter and fail, or don’t counter. I’ll move it up to 3.
Actions:
Melee, Missile, Magic:

Total Magic 0: My Army looks like an 80s dance club, “waving their hands in the air like they just don’t care”.
Second March: My Horde Army at your Home
Maneuver: No Maneuver Attempt
Actions:

Harpy Screech (4): Defending army subtracts 4 saves
Total Melee: 7 (Hell Hound 4, Spy 1, Scout 1, Scout 1)
End Phase:
Reinforce Step: None
Retreat Step: Scout at Frontier to Reserves
Expire Effects Step: None
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:30 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

First march: Frontier:

I'll counter, if only because I'd like to see if your giant force can be outmaneuvered by a single common. Twisted Evil



Result: 0 maneuver

Nope, so the terrain gets moved to 3.

Second March: My home:

Save Roll



Result: All the Oak lord's saves get subtracted, then the maneuvers get converted to saves. 4 Saves.

The Horseman and the Will get send to the DUA.



Counterattack:




Result: 9 melee


Turn Sequence: reeser60504, DialFforFunky

State of Game during reeser60504's 2nd march.
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9 melee incoming
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reeser60504's Home
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DialFforFunky
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:58 am GMT    Post subject: Since I'm Understanding Things Better... Reply with quote

The reason you have four Saves instead of 3 is b/c Racial Abilities kick in later in the calculation. Had one of those Maneuvers that you rolled been an actual Save or ID, the fourth subtraction for the Harpy would have counted (so to speak), correct?

Save Roll to Your Counter (heckuva nice roll by the way):




A whopping (and disappointing) 2 Saves. 7 Damage to Account for...

Kill off all but the Harpy and Hell Hound (and we'll pray for some week rolls by you.) Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:20 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ninja-edit, because I forgot:
About the modifiers, I had to look that up because I wasn't sure. But yeah, subtraction modifiers go before racial conversion modifiers, so the maneuver results remained untouched (p.10).


Oof, that save roll could have used some highlands...

Given that your reserves did not change, the board now looks as follows:


Turn Sequence: reeser60504, DialFforFunky

State of Game during reeser60504's EOT
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reeser60504
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DialFforFunky's Home
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reeser60504's Home
DialFforFunky
Home Army
DialFforFunky
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DialFforFunky
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BUA


My first turn:

Spell and effect expiration: none
Initial Effects Phase: none
Dragon Attack Phase: none


First March: @my home

Maneuver:




results: 6 maneuver

Some tricky decisions here, so I await your possible counter-maneuver first.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:36 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I forgot about your counter-attack possibility at Your Home. I really should have waited to declare Retreat until after that considering how you decimated my force.

So, if you'll permit the retreat, the Harpy and Hell Hound make a hasty retreat to the Reserves.

If not (and that's fair), then I'll counter your roll.



Total: 0

Let me know how you want to proceed. Confused
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:13 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is no problem at all if you want to retreat - in fact, I purposefully left some room for situations like this. I prefer an enjoyable game much more than a hard-core need-to-win game. Funny enough, I was really considering not attacking you, as my Oak Lords' smites are useless if not rolled in pairs, and a single good roll could still wipe away my force.

However, with the opposition out of the way, my path is clear and simple: I move both terrains up to 7. There are no armies to fight, so I won't perform any actions.

Reserves: My Willowling at your home retreats to reserves.

End of Turn


Turn Sequence: reeser60504, DialFforFunky

State of Game during reeser60504's start of turn.
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DialFforFunky
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:32 am GMT    Post subject: Rally at Home Reply with quote

Beginning Phase:
Expire Effects: None
Racial Abilities Step: None
Eighth Face Step: None
Dragon Attack Phase: None
Army Phase:
First March: My Reserve Army
Maneuver: None
Actions:
Melee, Missile, Magic:

Total Magic 1: Nothing to be done.
Second March: My Home Army at My Home
Maneuver:

Total 4: Maneuver up to 4, as I am unopposed.
Actions:

Total Missile: 9 (Dead-Shot 4, Dead Shot 2, Fusilier 2, Fusilier ID (1)) shot at Your Army at the Frontier
Wait for your Save Roll
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:44 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Save Roll:




Result: 4 cantrip, 3 saves

Cantrip: 2 Watery Doubles on my army at the Frontier, giving me a total of 5 saves.

The Elder Dryad and the Hamadryad go the DUA


Lets see if I can weather the storm...


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edit: the board.


Turn Sequence: reeser60504, DialFforFunky

State of Game during reeser60504's second march.
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Frontier
reeser60504's Home
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Home Army
DialFforFunky

2x Watery Double
DialFforFunky
*
DialFforFunky
Reserve Army
DialFforFunky
Summoning Pool
DialFforFunky
DUA
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:43 pm GMT    Post subject: Led back from the Wilderness... Reply with quote

End Phase:
Reinforce Step: My Hell Hound and Harpy follow the Scout to the Frontier to re-establish the Campaign Army in hopes thwarting the joyful celebration of the Coral Elves and their firewood pals.
Retreat Step: None
Expire Effects Step: None
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:12 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Board status at the start of my turn:

Turn Sequence: reeser60504, DialFforFunky

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reeser60504
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DialFforFunky's Home
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reeser60504's Home
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Home Army
DialFforFunky

2x Watery Double
DialFforFunky
*
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Reserve Army
DialFforFunky
Summoning Pool
DialFforFunky
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DialFforFunky
BUA



Spell and effect expiration: none
Initial Effects Phase: none
Dragon Attack Phase: none


First March: @ my home

Maneuver:

Yes, I'll take that 8th face unopposed. One treehugger celebration, wooh!


Action: Magic

Racial benefit: Replanting
I'll exchange the 2 Oak Lords for the 6 health worth of Treefolk in the DUA





Result: 4 gold or 7 green magic.

4 gold - Path on my Herald, sending it to the frontier.


Second March: @the frontier

Maneuver: Well, its do or die now, isn't it? So: yes.




Results: 3 maneuver - not quite the result I was looking for...

I'm quite sure you will want to oppose at this point.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:26 pm GMT    Post subject: Maneuver Opposition... Reply with quote

For the hold...



Not enough...take the 8th sir.

Analysis: I should have taken the Terrain not the start. The Coral Maneuvers as Saves is huge. Initial set-up of 6s on the Terrains you occupied boded well for you. The 2 for my Home Army was awful, effectively wasting a March. Your counter-attack is what really shook things up. I probably should have abandoned My Home and come out towards yours, but you likely would have overwhelmed that in a Melee vs Missile battle.

If you're inclined, I'll rack up another group tonight for play tomorrow.

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:09 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

A win for team Avatar! I would have loved to have rolled a bit more dice though, this game was almost over before it started.

Quote:
I probably should have abandoned My Home and come out towards yours, but you likely would have overwhelmed that in a Melee vs Missile battle.


Yep, my thoughts exactly. In fact, I think the first few choices you made were absolutely the right choices, they just happened to not work out.
First turn was sensible. Your army will almost certainly lose in the long run, as it cannot keep up with the endurance race of resurrection magic. The melee attack was pretty sensible as well. My army had more saves, so it was a matter of striking first or not striking at all. And your monsters have some great offensive SIAs.

In fact, the only thing I might have done differently is exactly what you said in the quote: amassing all your forces in reserves at the end of your first turn while leaving all the aquatic terrains at 6. Just like now, I would have not have anything to do for actions. The only options for me would then have been to:
- roll both terrains to 5 - extends the game length but is not great, as your army loves missiles.
- roll one terrain to 5 and one to 7 - terrible for me, as you'll just grab the 7 and take it to 8th.
- roll both to 7 so you get an 8th and I get the other - not great either.

Still, the choice you went for was sensible and I think you played great. I would love to play another game! The army I used army was an old-edition army designed for burial-magic, one that I still had lying around, so I'll do my best to create something a bit more special for the next game. Looking forward to our next game! Tomorrow is a national holiday here though, so I'll probably wont have much time. Saturday I'll be all-action again.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:11 pm GMT    Post subject: Next... Reply with quote

Timing is fine. I'll likely put together an army and get it posted. The weekend will be hit or miss for me as I have a lots of household things that need doing, but I should be able to get a few throws in.

How about making it 36 plus either Items or Minor Terrains, your pick?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:14 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

The new rules for minor terrains have made me really curious about them again, so I'd love to give those a spin. My new army is also close to being completely finished, so I'll probably post that tonight.


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