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How bad do you want new terrains?
I'd rather wait until we can make new molds.
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I want them now! I don't care about that other stuff
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:03 am GMT    Post subject: Landland Reply with quote

The "land" ending is sorta official. I mean, mostly, you can deduce it by simple logic, but even if Mr. Pint doesn't believe so himself, there must be others on the board that think so.

And Prophetic is an English word. How is it that the one thing which is actually an English word is taken not to be? That's right -- this dictionary-wordiness actually makes "Prophetic" by default a better label for the jungle terrain than most of the suggestions here.
You people should be very proud of yourself.

And despite this post, let my non-referencing make it known that the cold, harsh stare rule applies to non-JimSkull posters as well.
And is in full effect...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:21 am GMT    Post subject: Re: Landland Reply with quote

RexRanarum wrote:
The "land" ending is sorta official.


Acknowledged!!

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And Prophetic is an English word.


Confirmed!

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You people should be very proud of yourself.


Confirmed!

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(...) the cold, harsh stare rule applies to non-JimSkull posters as well.
And is in full effect...


Ignored!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:06 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

More brainstorming:

Caldera Delta
Caldera Lowland
Sunken Caldera

Savage Land (Check: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savage_Land)

Or call the red/green land simply Caldera.
It would fit twice: First, because calderas are huge, hot and normally filled with water, and second because the name Caldera and Scalders are very similar. Actually there is just one letter difference: Remove the S from Scalder and add an a at the end. Caldera-forest would not be a problem either. The only two drawbacks are that it is a no -land and that calderas are very rare, but only in our world; In Esfah it might be different. If there are many volcanic eruptions, there would be a lot of calderas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caldera
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caldera_%28Krater%29
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:45 am GMT    Post subject: Scalders don't need no stinkin' home terrain! Reply with quote

Caldera: See volcano. That is pretty much all these are. Calderas are just a type of volcano which collapses. Not red/green. You even said for yourself "normally filled with water", which is a bit of a stretch to say the least. They can be filled with water; it is innate no where to the definition. Can happen, yes, but then you get into the whole Lowland thing with "Well, they can be warm." A coastland is always wet; a Highland always has a lot of dirt. Maybe if SFR ever comes out with tri-elemental terrains, this would be a top contender, but otherwise, I think this drifts into the Swampland/Marshland debate.
Technically different? Yes. Enough to be different in game terms? Not in my opinion.

And most of those names are pretty long. I am pretty sure a lot of other names that don't quite fit the pattern sought, too, would beat out Caldera Delta before SFR would stoop to using it.
I think enough names have been thought of that don't end in the semi-official (as already stated) land-suffix naming convention which fit in every other respect that more non-land-ending names are sorta pointless.


And the Savage Land is copyrighted property. SFR can't even use TSR stuff anymore; why would they be able to use the ideas from a company that has never had any association with Dragon Diceā„¢ (aside from an enemy dice game)?
(Also, the Savage lands are in the arctic. It is not a terrain type, but rather a very specific place and a proper noun. Read your comics, man! Don't make me sic Sauron on you!

Okay, I didn't think this needed to be said, but the landform or terrain for the red/green terrain should probably exist.


Also, an annoying li'l tid-bit: guess where the world "jungle" comes from? Desert. That's right, Sanskrit for desert. No wonder alternatives cannot be found; the Wastelands are taking them all...
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:09 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wildland


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:41 am GMT    Post subject: :/ Reply with quote

I don't see why I have to be the only one to shoot all these things down. A child could see that "wildland" has absolutely no association with heat or wetness, which really are the only two requirements for a fire/water terrain.

I mean, Wildlands have what? Plants and animals? Wildnesses? That's looking more like Feral or Treefolk colors and still failing in those respects.


Am I the only person actually taking this thing seriously or what?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:43 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

RexRanarum wrote:
Am I the only person actually taking this thing seriously or what?
No, but you are doing such a great job, that I'm just sitting back and watching.... Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:15 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dionysos

Here is a link that might help unite Fire and Water
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:41 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

After all this back and forth I forgot what the original question was!!!Rolling Eyes

(And PLEEEEEASE, don't stare at me like this!)
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:00 pm GMT    Post subject: Jungle Fever Reply with quote

Mr. Green is close enough to sweating. Actually, I do believe Mr. Green can substitute for any emotion ever expressed by mankind.

Evil stare Mr. Green

... hmm, maybe not.


The question (in case any one really did forget or tuned in after the show had started), as the title of this thread suggests, is over the names of the two missing terrain color combinations. The red/blue Wastelands is as good as official-like, but the red/green ????lands are still desperately seeking a fitting name.


Also, JR, that link you put up seems like neo-pagan claptrap to me. Sure, it cites some stuff that is based on classical dealies, but it was published in something (or in association with something) called Circle magazine Confused
Biggest tell was pushing Dionysus, the god of wine and drunkenness, as a major figure. He is only major to 1) drunks, 2) those who get others drunk, 3) lady-type frequenters of orgies, and 4) fruity neo-pagans who really push that wild-man deity and conspiracy-theory suppression mumbo-jumbo. Feh.
Could go on with more, but I don't feel like it, and it really isn't important.

Mostly, tho', you have to remember that these aren't the raw elements combined. Otherwise, the troops would be fightin' in a big ol' pile o' steam or a boiling ocean Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:51 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

The link's intent was to present to readers a source of inspiration that might help lead to a possible name for the fire/water terrain.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:27 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

eggsaladsandwich wrote:
Harshland or sweatland= jungle (green/red)
wasteland or steppeland= desert (blue/red)
my 2 cents


I think this is the best so far.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:31 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

goldbh wrote:
eggsaladsandwich wrote:
Harshland or sweatland= jungle (green/red)
wasteland or steppeland= desert (blue/red)
my 2 cents


I think this is the best so far.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:38 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So if we make new terrains, and new minor terrains to go with them, we are looking at 4 molds.
Actually you don't need any new mold, neither for new major terrains nor for minors; Even if you want to have more difference than just new colors.
For the major terrains TSR has used three different lower mold halves (face 1 - 4) and two for the upper half (face 5 - Cool.

Lower halves:
used for Coastland and Flatland
used for Swampland
used for Highland

Upper halves:
used for Highland and Coastland
used for Swampland and Flatland

That means you can make six combinations. Thanks to TSR that would fit perfect.

= Coastland
= Flatland

=> free for a new terrain
= Swampland

= Highland
=> free for a new terrain

Ok, the molds for the units have been keyed, but is this also true for the terrain-molds? And if, what would be more expensive: Two new molds or the removal of some keys?

For all new minor terrains you could use the mold you already have.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:50 am GMT    Post subject: Keyin'! Reply with quote

Supposedly, the terrain molds have been keyed. Sucks, too, since that woulda been a big money-saver.

Removing keys, however, is a brand new idea by my notes. Here's hopin' its possible, although the pessimist in me says Mr. Pint is gonna give some reason it isn't.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:52 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually we don't know for sure how the terrain molds are made. While there is definitely two pieces to the mold, it is not necessarily split the way Autpost shows. Mark Wiker did a pretty good investigation into the Goblin misprints. You can find that here, just click on the links until you get to the misprint page. The short version of that means that 2 faces are on one piece of the mold, while 4 are on the other. Not sure how that would translate from a 6-sided to an 8-sided.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:25 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if the mold switching concept did work,
would it produce the correct terrain layout?
I'm not sure that was ever decided,
but I really don't think it would be correct.
I seem to remember reading that the wasteland would have missle as a predominate face.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:51 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Autpost's point was that it would produce a different terrain with no cost in molds He was not trying to say that it would be exactly the mold layout we would want.

Given how little we know about the mold configuration, it's all idle speculation really.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:04 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about "Oasis" for the Red/green terrain? Would fit in with the Wet/Hot terrain idea... atleast I think so.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:03 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tesseract wrote:
How about "Oasis" for the Red/green terrain? Would fit in with the Wet/Hot terrain idea... atleast I think so.


It is a good name...
we already covered it....in Crazy Terrains
http://sfr-inc.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1308&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

it has been mentioned that the terrains should all end with the word "land"
and also be an official name.

I came up with No Name Island...
http://sfr-inc.com/bb/viewtopic.php?p=18088#18088
which is from No Name Key....
No Name Key is part of the Florida Keys...
just off of Big Pine Key....
near Key West (Lower Keys)
They named No Name Key for the same reason...nobody could agree on a name.
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