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[shepdog69]

Stun states:
During a melee attack, target up to X health-worth of units in the defending army to be stunned unless each targeted unit rolls a maneuver. Target units that fail their roll cannot be rolled until the end of your turn.

Assuming the target was a Phoenix, and said unit failed the maneuver save, it would not be allowed to roll until the end of the attacking players turn. If said unit should then be killed that same turn, would this result prevent it from making a "Rise from the Ashes" roll? Based on the wording, I would say yes, since the roll is supposed to be made when it goes to the DUA, which happens long before the end of the turn.

If the same Phoenix was for some reason also buried, would the stun result in it being immediately buried (for the same reason)?

Thoughts?
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[chuckpint]

Interesting. This would also apply to Entangle, Net, Sleep, and Web. All those SAIs cause units to be unable to roll for some period of time. There are a couple of things in the rules that could apply to this discussion:

[cliffwiggs]

Did we lose the rule that units lose individual targeting effects while entering the DUA?

That rule was intended to cover situations like this (primarily the old Earthen Armor spell).

It's intention was that the moment the die left the army it lost all effects and was no longer at a terrain. Thus while traveling to the DUA, it would've been allowed to roll and once it enters the DUA it definitely would've been able to roll.

If that rule got dropped, I'd suggest we add it back in for timing issues like this.
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[chuckpint]

Of course we lost that rule. It went away with the spells that targeted units and lasted "until used". We can look at adding back for 3.1.
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[shepdog69]

I would tend to prefer to keep it as it is now. Not very many units have this ability, and the Phoenix is a pretty powerful unit, and very difficult to kill as is (70% save, with a 20% chance of RftA). Combined with the Firewalker Spell Flashfire, which always seems to show up in multiples, killing them is darn near impossible. This tempers that a little, and every unit should have some weakness, in the name of game balance.

In most cases, this will simply push it into the DUA, where it could still be resurrected, or possibly RftA on it's way to the BUA.

My two cents....
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