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 Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:44 am GMT Post subject: Attack and action |
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During translation some questions come up about the definition of "action" and "attack".
| Quote: | Smite SAI Resolution Type: Special (melee); Normal (dragon attack or melee avoidance roll)
During a melee attack, immediately inflict four points of damage on the defending army or unit; no saves (including those provided by spells) can stop this damage. During a dragon attack or melee avoidance roll, Smite generates four melee results.
Counter SAI Resolution Type: Normal (melee, save and dragon attack); Special (save against melee)
During a melee attack, Counter generates four melee results. During a save roll, Counter generates four save results. During a save roll in a melee attack, Counter immediately generates both four save and four melee results upon the attacking army or unit. Only magical saves protect against this damage. During a dragon attack, Counter generates four save and four melee results. |
Why is there "or unit" written in the descriptions of Smite, Counter and Stone? Is it somehow possible that Smite/Counter inflict damage (individually) to a unit instead of an army, or is "unit" just meant in the way "a one unit army" (which is an army rather than a unit, but for a beginner it would be more clear if "or unit" is added)?
I've thought about Coil/Hug, but in the glossary it says that attack is used only for an army. So Coil/Hug is not a melee attack but something else (the resolution of a SAI). Is this true?
| Glossary wrote: | Melee Attack – The acting army rolling for melee results during the attack or counter-attack phase of a
melee action or during a melee avoidance roll. See action. |
However Hug uses attack too, in this case it's a unit which attacks:
| Quote: | Hug SAI Resolution Type: Special (melee); Normal (dragon attack or melee avoidance roll)
During a melee attack, choose one unit in the defending army. Hug immediately inflicts four points of damage on the target unit. The unit gets no saves, but does roll to counter-attack the hugging unit, which cannot save against this damage. During a dragon attack or melee avoidance roll, Hug generates four melee results. |
In the case of Coil the term attack is not used:
| Quote: | Coil SAI Resolution Type: Special (melee); Normal (dragon attack or melee avoidance roll)
During a melee attack, choose one unit in the defending army. Coil immediately inflicts four points of damage to the target unit. The target unit makes a combination roll: to generate saves against the Coil damage and/or inflict melee damage on the coiling unit. The coiling unit cannot roll to save against this damage. During a dragon attack or melee avoidance roll, Coil generates four melee results. |
Just to be sure: Has Counter an effect if it comes up against Coil or Hug? |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 10:15 am GMT Post subject: Re: Attack and action |
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| Autpost wrote: | During translation some questions come up about the definition of "action" and "attack".
| Quote: | Smite SAI Resolution Type: Special (melee); Normal (dragon attack or melee avoidance roll)
During a melee attack, immediately inflict four points of damage on the defending army or unit; no saves (including those provided by spells) can stop this damage. During a dragon attack or melee avoidance roll, Smite generates four melee results.
Counter SAI Resolution Type: Normal (melee, save and dragon attack); Special (save against melee)
During a melee attack, Counter generates four melee results. During a save roll, Counter generates four save results. During a save roll in a melee attack, Counter immediately generates both four save and four melee results upon the attacking army or unit. Only magical saves protect against this damage. During a dragon attack, Counter generates four save and four melee results. |
Why is there "or unit" written in the descriptions of Smite, Counter and Stone? Is it somehow possible that Smite/Counter inflict damage (individually) to a unit instead of an army, or is "unit" just meant in the way "a one unit army" (which is an army rather than a unit, but for a beginner it would be more clear if "or unit" is added)? |
During a Coil/Hug attack, the unit being attacked has a chance to roll a Smite or Counter. By adding "or unit", the Smite or Counter SAI would work during that unit counter-attack.
| Autpost wrote: | I've thought about Coil/Hug, but in the glossary it says that attack is used only for an army. So Coil/Hug is not a melee attack but something else (the resolution of a SAI). Is this true?
| Glossary wrote: | Melee Attack – The acting army rolling for melee results during the attack or counter-attack phase of a
melee action or during a melee avoidance roll. See action. |
However Hug uses attack too, in this case it's a unit which attacks:
| Quote: | Hug SAI Resolution Type: Special (melee); Normal (dragon attack or melee avoidance roll)
During a melee attack, choose one unit in the defending army. Hug immediately inflicts four points of damage on the target unit. The unit gets no saves, but does roll to counter-attack the hugging unit, which cannot save against this damage. During a dragon attack or melee avoidance roll, Hug generates four melee results. |
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Coil/Hug only works during an melee attack on an army. If rolled against a unit that is Coiling/Hugging this unit, it does not work. That's why the "or unit" is there for Smite (it works in any situation that is a unit melee), but not Hug (it does not work in a situation that is a unit melee).
| Autpost wrote: | In the case of Coil the term attack is not used:
| Quote: | Coil SAI Resolution Type: Special (melee); Normal (dragon attack or melee avoidance roll)
During a melee attack, choose one unit in the defending army. Coil immediately inflicts four points of damage to the target unit. The target unit makes a combination roll: to generate saves against the Coil damage and/or inflict melee damage on the coiling unit. The coiling unit cannot roll to save against this damage. During a dragon attack or melee avoidance roll, Coil generates four melee results. |
Just to be sure: Has Counter an effect if it comes up against Coil or Hug? |
Yes a Counter has an affect during a Coil or Hug. In the case of a Hug (which allows no saves), it's simply points of damage against the Hugging unit. In the case of a Coil, it gives you both saves and melee damage. If Counter is rolled against a Hug, both units are killed. If Counter is rolled against a Coil, the Coiling unit is killed, but the Coiled unit saves.
The difference between a Melee attack and action is simple: Action is the entire thing, attack and counter-attack. Melee attack is just part of it. The Marching army decides to take a Melee action does a Melee attack, the defending army saves. Then the roles reverse and the Acting army (former defending army) does a Melee attack (also called a counter-attack), while the Marching army defends. Is that clearer?
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:06 pm GMT Post subject: |
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Thanks for the answer. I'm now proofreading the rules translation, probably a bit too carefully.
Instead of checking every little detail I should rather come to an end. |
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