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[piMaster]

Yes. They can replant even if you make no maneuver roll and take no action. Just remember that replanting takes place between the maneuver portion and the action portion of a march.

[jmonnett]

Another one:
Spell order vs. Cantrip: In a magic action, an army casts Finger of Death and a Lightning Strike on enemy units, in that order. The struck unit rolls a Cantrip. Is it possible to use that 'trip to revive the fingered common?

Since spells resolve in sequence, and thus the common was in the DUA when the 'trip was rolled, I figured it was OK.

Targets have to be there when the spells are declared, but they resolve in that order, right? Sort of a F.I.F.O. thing, yes? The spells are not considered to be happening all at once, as illustrated in the Mirage vs. Firebolt example on page 29.

That all seems good. Just thought I'd check, though.

-John

[piMaster]

[jmonnett]

Here's another thing I wanted to clear up because the example in the rules is a little murky.

May a multi-health unit split it's ID icon into separate results?
I can't imagine why not, but the rules aren't clear about it.
They certainly don't say that you can't, and they seem to imply that you can. This is why I seek confirmation.
Generally this would only happen during a dragon attack, since most rolls only want one result, anyway.*
Example 2 on page 19 mentions an army getting 5 health-worth of ID icons, then splitting them 3 saves/1 melee/1 missile, but doesn't mention what size dice rolled these IDs. Was it 5 commons? One rare and 2 commons? One rare and an uncommon? Little help!

In the Icon definition in the glossary it says: "[an ID] may be split into the different aspects... during combination rolls and magic rolls for the purpose of doubling magic." Is a dragon attack still a combination roll? I know it's a multi-avoidance + save roll. Even if it is, the quoted blurb is still a little unclear. Is it only talking about magic? "Combination roll" is wedged between "aspects" and "magic rolls" so it would seem so.
(BTW, is magic ever involved in a combination roll?)
(Well, there's the reserves with Amazons and non-Amazons, but the non-Amazons wouldn't be able to double magic anyway. Still, combination roll with magic.)

*There is one other situation when this would be important: a monster Coiled by a Wave Rider. If it came up ID, it could put one point to saves, preserving its life, and the other three to melee damage, killing the 'Rider.

Here's something else: Group monsters vs. Combination rolls. When a group monster rolls its ID, you must decide what those ID results are before you re-roll the die, yes? Like if a Wolf Pack got Coiled by an Ormyrr and got its (their?) ID, you would have to decide whether to save the 'Pack or kill the Ormyrr before you re-rolled the 'Pack.
Just checking.

-John

[piMaster]

[jmonnett]

Blast! Thought of something else.
Chimera's Rend: This would never count as a missile result, would it?
Rend only counts as maneuvers during a maneuver roll.
When Amazons are making a missile attack at a flatland, however, they are making a missile roll.
Unlike Trample and Fly, which are either/or for any roll, Rend only gets results () during a maneuver or melee roll.*
During a missile attack, one is not (necessarily) looking for maneuver results, so the Rend counts as nothing.

Do I have this right?

The same thinking would apply to a Gryphon's or Crocosaur's Rends during a save roll at the appropriate terrain, yes?

*Is a dragon attack considered a melee attack?
Let's see if I can hash this out: It is, in part, a melee avoidance roll, so any SAI that had an effect during a melee attack would have that effect during a dragon attack, too. Unless, of course, it had a different effect explicitly listed for a dragon attack. (like Smite)

Hmm... (Check the SAIs) Would Frost Breath, Sleep and Whither, then, go off (activate, do that hoodoo that they do, whatever) during a dragon attack? (assuming an opposing army, of course)
Galeforce and Illusion, however, would not, because they go off during an action, and a dragon attack isn't an action.

Another thing: Trumpet vs. Dragon attack: Since a dragon attack is an avoidance + save roll, would Trumpet double Feral melee and save results, or is it an either/or decision? Description says "or", so it's the later, isn't it?

Thanks!
-John

[jmonnett]

[chuckpint]

Trample is slightly more useful than Rend because it can be applied to all rolls. So the War Driver's Trample can be converted to Missile at a Flatland, but the Chimera's Rend cannot.

You missed this:

[jmonnett]

[chuckpint]

[piMaster]

[piMaster]

[jmonnett]

[jmonnett]

[piMaster]

We could add a chart which lists which SAIs work during each type of roll. For example:

Magic Action Attune Cantrip Create Fireminions Ferry Firewalking Galeforce Illusion Regenerate SFR Logo (Dragonhunter) SFR/TSR Logo (Dragonmaster) SFR/TSR Logo (Medallions) Sneak Attack Summon Dragon Teleport Wild Growth

Magic Avoidance Roll Cantrip Create Fireminions Ferry Firewalking Regenerate SFR Logo (Dragonhunter) SFR/TSR Logo (Dragonmaster) SFR/TSR Logo (Medallions) Teleport Wild Growth

And so on. Thus, if anyone has a question on whether an SAI is applicable during a certain type of roll, you only need to refer to the chart. You'll have to read the SAI description to see what it does during that roll of course.

Just a thought.

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[jmonnett]

[chuckpint]

[piMaster]

No one has complained about the SAI descriptions in this thread. The confusion was around the meaning and applications of resolution types and the various types of rolls. The SAI descriptions are fine as long as you have a firm grasp of the resolution types and the various types of rolls.

For example:

[chuckpint]

Ok, but I wasn't going to change the descriptive part, just change the header. It's there that we have a problem. Smite is clear, but Stun is not. Some of the headers are just too brief.
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