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Dolus
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Dust Devil expires
Magic:
Gold Medallion: 4 Sortie
Fireshadow: 4 fireminions
Dragon Lord: 4 fly
Magus: 2 Magic
Pathetic...
Lightning Strike your wizard.
March up to 6 unopposed.
Reserves: Fireshadow + Medallion to horde.
Dragonlord + Magus to reserves.
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Dolus
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:45 pm GMT Post subject: Re: Matthias Maccabeus vs Dolus Match 1 |
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Temple
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Standing Stones
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Home Army
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Matthias Maccabeus
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:09 pm GMT Post subject: |
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Wizard: 3 ID
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Flash Fire expires
1st March - Magic in Reserves
Ashbringer: 3 Magic
Troll: 4 Save
Troll: 4 Smite
Wizard: 3 Save
Flash Fire on Campaign Army
2nd March - Frontier -
Flatland Knoll: Double Maneuvers
no maneuver - Missile action against your horde
Darter: 1 Save
Medusa: 4 Maneuver
Phoenix: 4 Save
Spearer: 4 Bullseye
Spearer: 3 Missile
Spearer: 4 Bullseye
Spearer: 3 ID
Flash Fire on the Phoenix
Phoenix: 4 Fly
8 Bullseye (again...) + 17 Missile
Bullseye - All 8 on the Fireshadow (Got to make sure I kill him!)
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Dolus
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:21 pm GMT Post subject: |
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Yikes! Great... double maneuvers. :/
Just curious
Spearer: 4 Bullseye
Spearer: 4 Bullseye
Medusa: 4 Maneuver
Spearer: 3 Missile
Spearer: 3 ID
So I gather you count 3 ID as maneuvers, 7 maneuvers doubles to 14, converts to missile, plus the regular 3 is 17 missiles? Since you are rolling for missiles, don't you have to count the IDs as missile results and not maneuvers?
Bullseye:
Fireshadow: 4 fly
Woohoo! Protected against 4 damage, so he only takes 4. Fireshadow dies.
17 (or 14?) damage:
Remorhaz: 4 ID
Remorhaz: 1 swallow
Bear Master: 2 melee
Bear Master: 3 ID
Gold Medallion: 4 Sortie
11 defense.
I don't really have a choice on what to lose, I will lose 2 (or 1) bear masters.
This is going to be a fast game...
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chuckpint
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:25 pm GMT Post subject: |
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If you are rolling for missile, you cannot count IDs as anything other than missile. So you cannot count them as maneuver, double them, and then convert to missile.
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Matthias Maccabeus
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:29 pm GMT Post subject: |
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Right I counted the ID as maneuvers.
IDs count for whatever result you want them to.
Everything to Reserves.
EoT.
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Dolus
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:33 pm GMT Post subject: |
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| chuckpint wrote: | | If you are rolling for missile, you cannot count IDs as anything other than missile. So you cannot count them as maneuver, double them, and then convert to missile. |
Thank you. This is what I thought.
So I'm still helplessly losing this battle.  Do I continue to march forward foolishly and lose the terrain to you? Or do I fall back and try to recover? Hmm..
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Matthias Maccabeus
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:34 pm GMT Post subject: |
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| chuckpint wrote: | | If you are rolling for missile, you cannot count IDs as anything other than missile. So you cannot count them as maneuver, double them, and then convert to missile. |
Whoa wait a minute, How come I can't be rolling for maneuver results if my manuevers count as missiles?
Also is there a difference at an 8th face? I've seen this done countless times. (By me mostly...but others as well)
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Dolus
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:37 pm GMT Post subject: Re: Matthias Maccabeus vs Dolus Match 1 |
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Home Army
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Temple
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Standing Stones
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Tower
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Home Army
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Dolus
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:40 pm GMT Post subject: |
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| Matthias Maccabeus wrote: | | chuckpint wrote: | | If you are rolling for missile, you cannot count IDs as anything other than missile. So you cannot count them as maneuver, double them, and then convert to missile. |
Whoa wait a minute, How come I can't be rolling for maneuver results if my manuevers count as missiles?
Also is there a difference at an 8th face? I've seen this done countless times. (By me mostly...but others as well) |
Maneuvers count as missiles, but you're not making any sort of maneuvering roll. You are rolling for missiles. I believe it's the same for an 8th face. If you're not rolling for a specific result, you can't choose IDs as that result. I don't know if previously it was done wrong or differently...
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chuckpint
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:43 pm GMT Post subject: |
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Straight from the rules: | Quote: | | ID icons: These serve to “name” the units. For example, an icon of a Dwarf wearing a feathered cap on a common die identifies it as a “Crossbowman.” The most important thing to remember about ID icons is that they always count as whatever results you are rolling for, but only those results you are rolling for. If you are rolling for saves, ID icons count as save results; if you are rolling for maneuvers, they count as maneuver results; and so forth. Furthermore, each unit’s ID icon counts as a number of points equal to its health; therefore, ID icons are referred to by “x health-worth of ID icons.” |
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Matthias Maccabeus
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 4:04 pm GMT Post subject: |
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| chuckpint wrote: | Straight from the rules: | Quote: | | ID icons: These serve to “name” the units. For example, an icon of a Dwarf wearing a feathered cap on a common die identifies it as a “Crossbowman.” The most important thing to remember about ID icons is that they always count as whatever results you are rolling for, but only those results you are rolling for. If you are rolling for saves, ID icons count as save results; if you are rolling for maneuvers, they count as maneuver results; and so forth. Furthermore, each unit’s ID icon counts as a number of points equal to its health; therefore, ID icons are referred to by “x health-worth of ID icons.” |
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Right I just reread that but how come the results I'm rolling for can't me maneuvers?
@ Dolus feel free to take your turn. I'm just trying to understand the ruling. Totally don't care if it only kills the 1 unit.
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chuckpint
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:09 pm GMT Post subject: |
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The part about "...they always count as whatever results you are rolling for, but only those results you are rolling for." So if you are rolling for missile, IDs count as missile, and only missile. Nothing else. Most likely you are confused by combination rolls like dragon attack. Then you are rolling for melee, missile, and saves. So you make each point of IDs count as any one of those three things as you want. But you can't make your IDs count as maneuvers during a dragon attack. It's not what you are rolling for.
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Dolus
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:10 am GMT Post subject: |
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Cast magic from reserves:
Dragon Lord: 4 cantrip
Magus: 3 Fly
I'll path my bear master + medallion to my home.
Magic @ home
no results
Reserves:
reserve army to home
horde to reserves
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:11 am GMT Post subject: Re: Matthias Maccabeus vs Dolus Match 1 |
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Home Army
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Temple
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Standing Stones
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Tower
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Home Army
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Matthias Maccabeus
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:59 am GMT Post subject: |
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1st March - Reserve Magic / Missile (no target)
Ashbringer: 3 ID
Darter: 1 Save
Medusa: 4 Maneuver
Phoenix: Rise from the Ashes
Spearer: 4 Bullseye
Spearer: 2 Melee
Spearer: 3 Missile
Spearer: 4 Bullseye
Troll: 4 Melee
Troll: 4 Save
Wizard: 3 Magic
Spark of Life on Runner
EA on Medusa
Amazons and Phoenix to my home
EoT.
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Dolus
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:10 am GMT Post subject: |
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I probably should've moved the terrain down instead of attempted a magic roll. Oh well.
Magic at reserves
Nothing
Magic at home
Dragon Lord: 4 smite
Magus: 2 Magic
Bear Master: 3 melee
Gold Medallion: 4 TSR Logo
Revive fireshadow
Fireshadow: 4 melee
Great, now I can't even bury your runner. I can't do anything with 2 magic.
I'll move my reserves to my home.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:13 am GMT Post subject: Re: Matthias Maccabeus vs Dolus Match 1 |
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Home Army
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Temple
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Standing Stones
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Tower
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Home Army
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Matthias Maccabeus
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:08 am GMT Post subject: |
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1st March - Magic in Reserves
Ashbringer: 3 Magic
Troll: 4 Save
Troll: 4 Melee
Wizard: 3 Magic
EA on Wizard
Flash Fire on Home army
2nd March - up to 7 unopposed at home
Reserves - All to Home
EoT
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| Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:25 am GMT Post subject: |
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Magic:
Dragon Lord: 4 ID
Magus: 2 Magic
Oh this looks so bad for me. I'll cast 2 breath of life to recover a Magus.
All to reserves.
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