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chuckpint
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Nope, Cantrip does not work during any maneuver roll. So the Cantrip during your maneuver roll does not work. The Cantrip during your melee attack does work.
You may not want to cast Dust to Dust. For Goblins, Ashes to Ashes works better.....
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maynes32
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:36 am GMT Post subject: |
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Guard and Bowman buried.
Smite -
Archer (2)
Evoker (1)
Evoker (1)
Saves -
Courier - 2 Maneuver - 2 Saves
Herald - 3 Maneuver - 3 Saves
5 Saves, doubled is 10, plus Watery Double is 11. Enough. [I know, technically it was the maneuvers that were doubled, then racialized to saves - same diff in the end, though  ]
Counter-Attack
Courier - ID - 2 Melee
Herald - 3 Melee
Conjurer - 2 Melee
7 attacks back. Save and I'll update the board. |
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subaggut
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:48 am GMT Post subject: |
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Ok, first Cantrip doens't work take your Guard back to your DUA.
I rolled 9 Saves:
Troll: 4 Saves
Death Mage: 2 Saves
Death Mage ID - 3 Saves.
Chuck: I found this one in the rules:
Normal (magic action or magic negation); Unique (non-magic action, save roll, or nonmaneuver
avoidance) During a magic action or magic negation roll, Cantrip generates magic results. During any non-magic
action, save roll or non-maneuver avoidance roll, Cantrip can be used to purchase spells that are
immediately resolved.
Is it already wrong? (I downloaded it 2009. 07. 23.)
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maynes32
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:52 am GMT Post subject: |
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Brad vs. subaggut
Brad's second turn
Reserves
 
| DUA
| BUA
| subaggut's Horde
| subaggut's Campaign
   
   
Open Grave (BoNT)
| subaggut's Home
| BLM's Home
| Frontier
Brad
| subaggut's Home
| BLM's Home
| BLM's Campaign
  
Wind Walk (BoNT)
Watery Double (EoNT)
| BLM's Horde
| BUA
| DUA
 
| Reserves
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maynes32
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:58 am GMT Post subject: |
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Wind Walk ends
First March -
Reserves Magic
Evoker - 1 Magic
Evoker - 2 Magic
Evoker - 1 Magic
Conjurer - 3 Magic
Conjurer - 2 Magic
Lots of dudes to roll for no ID's
Total of 9 Blue/Green
Breath of Life Evoker (3)
Breath of Life Evoker (3)
Breath of Life Guard (3)
Second March - Campaign
Magic Roll
Conjurer - 3 Magic
Conjurer - 3 Magic
Lightning Strike the Dark Troll (6) (not an army-targeting effect, right?)
All reserves reinforce the Frontier |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:58 am GMT Post subject: |
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| subaggut wrote: | Unique (non-magic action, save roll, or nonmaneuver
avoidance) |
Lets see if I can post faster than Chuck or Brad. Cantrip has always worked the same way, so nothing has changed recently.
Look at the three times it works and what you were doing.
Non-magic action - no you were rolling for a maneuver which is not an action.
Save roll - no you were rolling for a maneuver
Non-maneuver avoidance roll - no you were rolling a maneuver and it wasn't an avoidance roll
so none of the situations apply to your current roll, thus it has no effect.
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maynes32
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:00 pm GMT Post subject: |
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| cliffwiggs wrote: | | subaggut wrote: | Unique (non-magic action, save roll, or nonmaneuver
avoidance) |
Lets see if I can post faster than Chuck or Brad. Cantrip has always worked the same way, so nothing has changed recently.
Look at the three times it works and what you were doing.
Non-magic action - no you were rolling for a maneuver which is not an action.
Save roll - no you were rolling for a maneuver
Non-maneuver avoidance roll - no you were rolling a maneuver and it wasn't an avoidance roll
so none of the situations apply to your current roll, thus it has no effect. |
Have to admit this was baffling me, too. I forgot that "action" is a term of art  |
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subaggut
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:42 pm GMT Post subject: |
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Darth-agnan rolled a regeneration - still alive 
Cliff: Thanks, now it is clear, i didn't know maneuver is not an action.
Brad, I must start working, I will post my 3rd turn at Thursday in the same time as Yesterday.
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cliffwiggs
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:21 pm GMT Post subject: |
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| subaggut wrote: |
Cliff: Thanks, now it is clear, i didn't know maneuver is not an action.
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Yeah, its not intuitive, but thats the way its written.
Just remember that the actions are missile,magic,melee.
Most every other roll is an avoidance of some type even if its called something special in common usage.
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maynes32
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:15 pm GMT Post subject: |
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Brad vs. subaggut
subaggut's third turn
Reserves
| DUA
| BUA
| subaggut's Horde
| subaggut's Campaign
Open Grave (BoNT)
| subaggut's Home
| BLM's Home
| Frontier
Brad
| subaggut's Home
| BLM's Home
| BLM's Campaign
| BLM's Horde
| BUA
| DUA
| Reserves
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I think this is up-to-date. |
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subaggut
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:07 pm GMT Post subject: |
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Ok, I had some time, so I post my turn:
First March: Manuever at frontier:
Leopard Rider: Rend - 3
Leopard Rider: Rend - 3
Wolf Rider: 2 Maneuvers
Death Mage: 3 Maneuvers
Total: 11 Manuever
Melee attack:
Troll: ID - 4
Leopard Rider: ID - 3
Leopard Rider: 4 Melee
Leopard Rider: Rend - 3 Melee+ 4 Melee
Wolf Rider 2 Melee
Marauder 4 Smite
That's 20 Melee, and 4 Smite
I rolled a Cantrip again - Finger of death to your common at my home.
Then second March: Unopposed Maneuver at my home, up to 4. Try to shoot - no ID.
No Reserves.
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maynes32
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:19 am GMT Post subject: |
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| subaggut wrote: | First March: Manuever at frontier:
Leopard Rider: Rend - 3
Leopard Rider: Rend - 3
Wolf Rider: 2 Maneuvers
Death Mage: 3 Maneuvers
Total: 11 Manuever |
Oppose
Conjurer - ID - 2 Maneuver
Conjurer - ID - 2 Maneuver
Conjurer - 2 Maneuver
Conjurer - ID - 2 Maneuver
Evoker - 1 Maneuver
Evoker - 1 Maneuver
10 Maneuvers, doubled is 20.
Again, good thing I brought those magic users for their maneuvering ability.
| subaggut wrote: | Melee attack:
Troll: ID - 4
Leopard Rider: ID - 3
Leopard Rider: 4 Melee
Leopard Rider: Rend - 3 Melee+ 4 Melee
Wolf Rider 2 Melee
Marauder 4 Smite
That's 20 Melee, and 4 Smite |
Guard - ID - 1 Maneuver
Guard - ID - 1 Maneuver
Conjurer - 2 Maneuver
Evoker - ID - 1 Maneuver
Evoker - ID - 1 Maneuver
Evoker - ID - 1 Maneuver
Evoker - 1 Maneuver
8 Maneuvers, doubled is 16, 16 Saves
Sharpshooter (3)
Evoker (1)
Evoker (1)
Evoker (1)
Guard (1)
Guard (1)
[Took off one too many Evokers]
Ugh, lousy roll. That group should average about 13 maneuvers.
Counterattack
Herald - 3 Melee
Courier - 2 Melee
Conjurer - ID - 2 Melee
Evoker - ID - 1 Melee
Evoker - ID - 1 Melee (this is the one I mistakenly took as a casualty)
Total - 9 Melee |
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subaggut
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:24 am GMT Post subject: |
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| maynes32 wrote: |
Counterattack
Herald - 3 Melee
Courier - 2 Melee
Conjurer - ID - 2 Melee
Evoker - ID - 1 Melee
Evoker - ID - 1 Melee (this is the one I mistakenly took as a casualty)
Total - 9 Melee |
Troll: ID - 4 Saves
Troll: Regenerate - 4 Saves
Wolf Rider: 2 Saves
Leopard Rider 3 Saves
Total - 13
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maynes32
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:51 pm GMT Post subject: |
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Brad vs. subaggut
Brad's third turn
Reserves
| DUA
| BUA
| subaggut's Horde
| subaggut's Campaign
| subaggut's Home
| BLM's Home
| Frontier
Brad
| subaggut's Home
| BLM's Home
| BLM's Campaign
| BLM's Horde
| BUA
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maynes32
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:55 pm GMT Post subject: |
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Man, busy day.
First March -
No Maneuver at the Frontier
Magic at the Frontier
Courier – ID – 2 Magic, doubled to 4
Guard – ID – 1 Magic, doubled to 2
Conjurer – ID – 2 Magic, doubled to 4
Conjurer – 3 Magic
Conjurer – 3 Magic
Conjurer – ID – 2 Magic, doubled to 4
Conjurer – 3 Magic
Conjurer – ID – 2 Magic, doubled to 4
Evoker – 1 Magic
Evoker – 1 Magic
Wow.
29 Magic
Lightning Strike – Dark Troll (6)
Lightning Strike – Light Troll #1 (6)
Lightning Strike – Light Troll #2 (6)
Breath of Life – Guard (3)
Breath of Life – Guard (3)
Breath of Life – Guard (3)
Hailstorm – Your army at your home (2)
Now, really. HONESTLY. Don't you think it's about time something of yours actually DIED this game?  |
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subaggut
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:32 pm GMT Post subject: |
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Strike the Leopard riders, not the trolls, and I will have a lof ot dead units They have only one save face and the ID, while Trolls have 5 faces from ten that generates save result
So, this magic can hurt:
Save for my wardog rider at my home- Maneuver - Died 
Save for the Trolls:
Darth-agnan: ID -Alive
Troll: Smite - died
Troll: Regenerate -Alive
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maynes32
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:09 pm GMT Post subject: |
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| subaggut wrote: | | Strike the Leopard riders, not the trolls, and I will have a lof ot dead units They have only one save face and the ID, while Trolls have 5 faces from ten that generates save result |
That's true - but the Trolls get to bring everyone back. |
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maynes32
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:14 pm GMT Post subject: |
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No Reserves, on to ...
Brad vs. subaggut
subaggut's third turn
Reserves
| DUA
| BUA
| subaggut's Horde
| subaggut's Campaign
| subaggut's Home
| BLM's Home
| Frontier
Brad
| subaggut's Home
| BLM's Home
| BLM's Campaign
| BLM's Horde
| BUA
| DUA
| Reserves
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chuckpint
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:20 pm GMT Post subject: |
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When in doubt, kill the Trolls first! 
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maynes32
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:21 pm GMT Post subject: |
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| chuckpint wrote: | | When in doubt, kill the Trolls first! |
Or die trying, I suppose  |
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