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[SpiffyParsley]

The rules state that whenever and army and a dragon are at the same terrain, battle occurs. They also state that dragon battles are resolved just before the acting players first march (the very beginning of his turn, before she/he does anything at all)

So, does this mean that a dragon battle is declared instantly (wherever youre at in the turn sequence) but then resolved later? or should it be resolved instantly, and then resolved again at the beginning of the next player's turn (provided the valid conditions exist)

[SpiffyParsley]

Oh, yeah, heres another one

can your army roll for a magic action, even if there are no spell casters in it (and hope for id's). Does the same hold true for missile fire?

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[Majiken]

[SpiffyParsley]

Awesome answers, thanks!

[Majiken]

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[deputyfife]

Cliff answered my question already (I think), but just to make sure:

This weekend I only got ONE game of DD in with my brother in law. (Stupid family. )
It came up that I had summoned a black dragon to a terrain he was at. He started his turn, and we decided that the Feral common he had at the site would call another Feral common before the dragon attacked. Then we rolled for the dragon, and figured out the attack. (I believe the dragon cleared out most of his troops, and he retreated.)
A few turns later, I moved an army to the terrain to try to maneuver it up to 8 eventually. (It was at 5.) When the dragon rolled, it got breath. This was after 2 tails.
Karl doesn't know the sfr basic rules yet, so we were playing with the dcm and revised rules. Black breath says you roll your army, and any units rolling id icons are killed & buried. I rolled my dice, and then Karl said that that same roll for the ID icons as breath affect was also my roll for saves/attacks against the dragon. However, I felt there was a conundrum in this, as I had black dragonkin in my army, which technically don't roll during a black dragon attack. But I had to roll them for the breath effect, correct? I rolled all my dice, including the black dragonkin, for the breath effect, but according to Karl, I was also rolling them for the dragon attack. My main question is, was that correct? If you are rolling something like a breath response with your army, don't you roll only for the breath response, then roll for the saves/attack against the dragon separately?
Last, in terms of SFR's rules, if anyone could dissect what we did right and wrong among my examples, I'm all ears. (Regardless if the black dragon breath rule changed, if someone could clear up the above example, I would really appreciate it.)

One last thing, and here I'm slightly mixed up again. The spell Muck Monster is in the DCM, but I can't find it in the Advanced Rules spell list from SFR. So it is gone, correct?
However, theoretically, if it were still a legal spell, I wanted to cast it in my game, but was too confused, and gave up. The spell says you have to be in possession of a minor terrain in order to cast, in addition to other requirements. But summoning the Muck Monster means that the monster itself will roll as a minor terrain at the beginning of all of that player's actions at the site with the Muck Monster. It didn't seem right that you could have two minor terrains for one player at a site, even if one is a Muck Monster. So am I understanding correctly that you have to have a minor terrain in play at a different terrain from where you call the Muck Monster? And then, since the Muck Monster can move, is it capable of moving to a terrain that already has a minor terrain? Also, the spell description isn't clear on this: does the Muck Monster roll during actions along with its army, such as for a missile attack, or magic, or a melee attack? The spell only mentions rolling the MM for saves when it is targeted by spells and SAI's, but also says it becomes an elemental monster with 4 HP.
Which brings up another question I have: can a player willingly discard a minor terrain from a terrain, with no consequences? (Except the minor terrain being removed from play for the rest of the game.)

Out of curiosity, why was muck monster removed? For the confusion aspect, or some game balancing?

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[chuckpint]

To answer Cliff's question, the new rules have a great summary at the end called "Outline of Play". Cliff, the only thing you left out is the "Royalty Dice". Understandable why you left it out...

Any army can if the terrain allows, roll for magic, missile or even melee. Doesn't matter that the army has no magic, missile or melee icons. IDs always count for what you are rolling for. So if you roll for magic with (for example) your heavy troops, you might get some, but only from IDs. And even if those units are not mages, you can still double the IDs if the terrain (and race) allows it.

As for why some things got dropped, well Cliff nailed it in one. A lot of the rules, effects and spells were inconsistant, confusing, and just plain messed up. So a small group of us went thru all the rules and cleaned it up. We're nearly done, just a couple of minor points remain. I hope to have the rules declared official early in April.

[deputyfife]

Here's another question on magic:

Say I roll an army of mixed units for a magic action, and get a bunch of red magic points, but only one magic point from a firewalker unit. Can I still use the red magic points all on Firewalker spells if I want? What if the FW unit that rolled the icon isn't a magic unit, specifically? What if there aren't any magic FW units present?
And last, what if I roll the same army, get a bunch of red again, but this time no firewalker rolls any magic results. Can I still cast a red FW spell with my magic, simply because I have a FW unit in the army? Or must a race contribute some magic results in order to utilize their race's spells?

P.S. I do actually read the rules. I think I know the answers to all but the last paragraph, but I'd rather have an expert spell it out.

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[deputyfife]

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[deputyfife]

[chuckpint]

That's correct. You also could cast Scalder Firestorm. And of course add 3 more points of red to Lava Elf, or basic spells.

[deputyfife]

The funny thing is, I've had about 4 or 5 really good, intricate questions come up as I'm reading various stuff, but I don't want to ask it, for fear I'll get the "You ARE reading the SFR Advanced Rules, right?" response.

Seriously, thanks to all for the answers I've been provided. (And will continue to need.)

Just thought of one more!

My friend (let's call him Karl) wasn't sure if you can summon a dragon to a different terrain from the one you are at. Obviously, dragons can't be summoned from reserves to anywhere, but I thought that magic has no range, per se, in that it can be cast at any target (terrain, unit, army) anywhere in the game. So if I cast summon dragon at the frontier, I can summon the dragon to my opponent's home, or my own home, right?

[chuckpint]

You are right about magic not having any range. Here's a great example:
A Lightning Strike is cast on a Dwarven Wizard. It's rolled to see if it saves. It comes up Cantrip. So the player decides to cast a Path, thinking it will get me out of the way...

Wrong! Wizard moves from one end of Esfah to the other. The Lightning Strike, makes a right angle turn halfway, and strikes the Wizards, killing him!

In any case, the Summon Dragon Spell says "Target any terrain." Take that quite literally. Otherwise, I'll have to ask: "Are you reading the rules!". Now note carefully that I didn't ask that.