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Drachenwurfel uncommon Stockholder
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:40 pm GMT Post subject: Scorching Counter |
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Today i played with Deeghter and a third player.
I played a scalder Army, home was complete magic, horde was 4 Charkin 3 Singeman and 3 Dragonne Tender.
The problem was, nobody tried to attack me, cause the heavy damage the scorching counter is able to make.
8 damage backwards with only magic saves possible, is that not a bit to powerful? |
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piMaster rare Stockholder
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3235 Location: Rockford, IL

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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:28 pm GMT Post subject: Re: Scorching Counter |
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| Drachenwürfel wrote: | Today i played with Deeghter and a third player.
I played a scalder Army, home was complete magic, horde was 4 Charkin 3 Singeman and 3 Dragonne Tender.
The problem was, nobody tried to attack me, |
That was a problem?
| Quote: | cause the heavy damage the scorching counter is able to make.
8 damage backwards with only magic saves possible, is that not a bit to powerful? |
Not really. As you noted, magical saves will protect you. Open Grave and Leaving would work as well. Scalders don't scorch during a counter-attack save roll, so if you attacked them on your turn, they wouldn't have to worry about scorching touch when they counter attacked. |
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DEEPBLUEB2 monster Stockholder
Joined: 20 Nov 2005 Posts: 7894 Location: Des Plaines, IL

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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:31 pm GMT Post subject: |
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This was talked about before,
Raven Bloodeyes brought it up.
It is also one of the tips and tricks.
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Drachenwurfel uncommon Stockholder
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:39 pm GMT Post subject: |
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| Why don´t they scorch during a counter attack?? |
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chuckpint White Dragon SFR President Site Admin
Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 9187 Location: Evanston, IL

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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:46 pm GMT Post subject: |
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Game balance. Otherwise they are too powerful. So if they attack they take a chance.
BTW, while this has been covered before, Scorching Counter does not give back 8 points of damage. It gives back 4 (from the Counter) first, and then a second 4 points of damage from the Scorching (along with any other Scorching saves). Why is this important? If you have a Watery Double and a Wall of Ice on your army, and you have a Scorching Counter back at you (with no other Scorching saves), you would take zero damage. _________________ You can never have too many dice.
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Drachenwurfel uncommon Stockholder
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 1:50 pm GMT Post subject: |
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the 2 x 4 rule is not new for me, we played it so today.
But were stands that they not scorch in counterattacks?
I can´t find it anywhere in the rules. |
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:33 pm GMT Post subject: |
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| I found it, its wrong translated in the German rules. |
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:52 pm GMT Post subject: |
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| chuckpint wrote: | Game balance. Otherwise they are too powerful. So if they attack they take a chance.
BTW, while this has been covered before, Scorching Counter does not give back 8 points of damage. It gives back 4 (from the Counter) first, and then a second 4 points of damage from the Scorching (along with any other Scorching saves). Why is this important? If you have a Watery Double and a Wall of Ice on your army, and you have a Scorching Counter back at you (with no other Scorching saves), you would take zero damage. |
That's why Scalders are very dangerous against no-magic-armies.
If you can't provide your army with magic saves, the Scalders' Counter SAI can be very deadly!
Imagine 2 Counters coming up (=16 damage) together with a couple of those fiery saves, your attacking army dissolves in smoke!  _________________
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