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willpell · common Joined: 29 Nov 2008 Posts: 180

Comparing the rare Dragonkin's original color-differentiated breaths to the current "target army kills 3h of units" generic version, I'm disappointed that the extra flavor of the various breaths was removed, but I don't just want to go back to the originals, as they were significantly imbalanced in power level and not especially interesting. Therefore, here is my initial proposal for a replacement array of breaths; the gold and red are specifically rebalanced against each other compared to the original versions, while the other three are a bit experimental and might not be balanced as yet, so I may have to revise them. When in doubt, try something new....

Blue: "Freeze" Choose 3 health of units in the target army. The army's owner rolls them. Units which did not save are killed; units which save are frozen and cannot roll until after your next turn. (Individual automatic saves apply.)
Green: "Poison Gas" Choose 3 units in the target army. Those units's results are halved on all rolls until after your next turn.
Gold: "Petrify" Target army's owner chooses 3 health of its units and rolls them. Each unit is killed and buried unless it rolled a save. (Individual automatic saves do not apply.)
Red: "Flame" Target army's owner chooses 3 health of its units. They are killed with no roll to save. (Inidividual automatic saves apply.)
Black: "Disease" Target army's owner chooses 3 of its nonmonster units and rolls them. Units which roll an ID result are killed; all others flee to reserves.

Let me know if any of these look obviously off. I already toned them down a bit; the Blue originally targeted units instead of health, while the black previously killed everything that *didn't* roll ID (hence the fact it l says "nonmonster", which I decided not to change because it's still flavorfully appropriate for monsters not to be affected by disease).
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chuckpint · Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:32 pm GMT Post subject:

You may want to write this in the same style as the current rules, so that both the rare dragonkin and the champion dragonkin have the same secondary effects, but the health affected is the same as the health of dragonkin.

If you don't want auto saves to work, then make the roll something other than saves. We went to a lot of cleaning of the rules to make everything more consistent. If you say they have to roll a maneuver or something else other than a save, then Earthen Armor or dragonkin autosaves would not apply.

Also to be consistent, don't make lasting effects based on the effected player's turn. It should be based on the offensive player's turn. All effects should either end at the beginning of the offensive player's turn, or at the end of the offensive player's turn.

So for example:

Green: "Poison Gas" Choose up to three health-worth of units in the defending army. The target units' results are halved on all rolls until the end of your next turn.
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willpell · common Joined: 29 Nov 2008 Posts: 180

chuckpint · Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:25 am GMT Post subject:

willpell · common Joined: 29 Nov 2008 Posts: 180

chuckpint · Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:19 am GMT Post subject:

While Flood was too powerful, Revolt didn't do enough. So both got changed.
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You can never have too many dice.
First Place at the first ever Daemon Dice sealed starter tournament.
Battlefest tied for first GenCon 2012
Single Race Champion GenCon 2008-2009, Sealed Box Champion GenCon 2007,2009,
My collection is 21,500 Dragon Dice, 20,000 Daemon Dice, and others (too many to count).

willpell · common Joined: 29 Nov 2008 Posts: 180

willpell · common Joined: 29 Nov 2008 Posts: 180

With substantial annoyance, I will cave to Chuck's inexplicable insistence that the breaths may not target units, and instead perform the to-me-greater sin of having them target varying quantities of health to keep the different power levels balanced.

Blue: "Freeze" Choose 3 health of units in the target army. The army's owner rolls them. Units which did not save are killed; units which save are frozen and cannot roll until after your next turn. (Individual automatic saves apply.)

Green: "Poison Gas" The target army applies -3 to each of its rolls until after your next turn.

Gold: "Petrify" Target army's owner chooses 3 health of its units and rolls them. Each unit is killed and buried unless it saves.

Red: "Flame" Target army's owner chooses 3 health of its units. They are killed with no saves possible.

Black: "Disease" Choose 6 health of units in the target army. The army's owner rolls them. Units which roll an ID result are killed; all others flee to reserves.

For champion Dragonkin, replace all instances of 3 with 4 and 6 with 8; the effect is otherwise the same. (I'm not a fan of saying the champion gives you the choice while the rares do not, and especially couldn't make that work with this version, in which the weaker blue and black breaths deliberately lets you choose its target to make up for their weaker effects.)
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