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[diggity60503]

Turn Sequence: piMaster, Diggity60503

	*****************	**	*****************	**	*****************	*****************
	piMaster BUA		piMaster DUA		piMaster Reserve Army	piMaster Summoning Pool
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	piMaster		piMaster		piMaster Home Army
	Diggity60503's Home Wasteland		Frontier Temple		piMaster's Home City
	Diggity60503 Home Army		Diggity60503		Diggity60503
*
	Diggity60503 Reserve Army		Diggity60503 Summoning Pool		Diggity60503 DUA	Diggity60503 BUA

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465 dice and counting...
now 641 and counting...(the wife isn't suspicious yet)...06/05/13
649...6/12/13
Might have an actual addiction...die 1000 Gold Speed Slipper...07/04/13
Final Count 1212

[piMaster]

My home terrain started at face six.

First march at diggity's home terrain.
Attempt to maneuver. Do you wish to counter?

[diggity60503]

I've corrected to the 6th face at your home.

I attempt to Counter:



Reroll Wolf Pack:


12 Maneuvers
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now 641 and counting...(the wife isn't suspicious yet)...06/05/13
649...6/12/13
Might have an actual addiction...die 1000 Gold Speed Slipper...07/04/13
Final Count 1212

[piMaster]

Well, my four IDs aren't going to cut it.

Second march at my home. Attempt to maneuver. Do you wish to counter?

[diggity60503]

For fun we'll try to counter:




I'll hope for a tie...
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465 dice and counting...
now 641 and counting...(the wife isn't suspicious yet)...06/05/13
649...6/12/13
Might have an actual addiction...die 1000 Gold Speed Slipper...07/04/13
Final Count 1212

[piMaster]

Doesn't matter - ties go to the acting player.

Turn terrain up to face 7.

Attack: 2 melee icons, 4 ID, Cantrip.

Resolve cantrip to cast Buring hands on my Lurker (which rolled its ID) (yeah, not a very impressive melee roll as my Skirmisher and Patroller both rolled maneuvers ).

10 melee results at you, which will kill your monster no matter what it rolls.

Reserve phase:
Retreat footman from frontier, all the dwarves from my home, and everyone from your home.

I end my turn.

[Dolus]

Here's the lurker bbcode you requested:


[img ]http://sfr-inc.com/icon/Lava_Elf/Lurker_in_the_Deep.gif[/img]

[diggity60503]

Turn Sequence: piMaster, Diggity60503

	*****************	**	*****************	**	*****************	*****************
	piMaster BUA		piMaster DUA		piMaster Reserve Army	piMaster Summoning Pool
*
	piMaster		piMaster		piMaster Home Army
	Diggity60503's Home Standing Stones		Frontier Temple		piMaster's Home City
	Diggity60503 Home Army		Diggity60503		Diggity60503
*
	Diggity60503 Reserve Army		Diggity60503 Summoning Pool		Diggity60503 DUA	Diggity60503 BUA

_________________
465 dice and counting...
now 641 and counting...(the wife isn't suspicious yet)...06/05/13
649...6/12/13
Might have an actual addiction...die 1000 Gold Speed Slipper...07/04/13
Final Count 1212

[diggity60503]

First March @ My Home:
Bring in Minor Terrain Village:


No Action

Second March @ Frontier:
Turn Up Terrain to 7

Retreat/Reinforce:

Move Harpies and Wolf Pack to Reserves


Turn Sequence: piMaster, Diggity60503

	*****************	**	*****************	**	*****************	*****************
	piMaster BUA		piMaster DUA		piMaster Reserve Army	piMaster Summoning Pool
*
	piMaster		piMaster		piMaster Home Army
	Diggity60503's Home Standing Stones		Frontier Temple		piMaster's Home City
	Diggity60503 Home Army		Diggity60503		Diggity60503
*
	Diggity60503 Reserve Army		Diggity60503 Summoning Pool		Diggity60503 DUA	Diggity60503 BUA

_________________
465 dice and counting...
now 641 and counting...(the wife isn't suspicious yet)...06/05/13
649...6/12/13
Might have an actual addiction...die 1000 Gold Speed Slipper...07/04/13
Final Count 1212

[piMaster]

Start of my turn.
First march at my home.
Maneuver up to face 8.
Magic action.
Rolled: 10 magic icons
Cast: 4x Ashes to Ashes to bury the troll, Ashstorm on the frontier terrain.

Second march in reserves.
Magic action.
Rolled: 5 lava elf magic icons, 4 dwarf IDs
Cast: Burning Hands on Sergeant, 2x Stoneskin on my home army.

Reserve phase:
Reinforce lava elves to my home terrain, dwarves to Diggity's home terrain.

I end my turn.

[diggity60503]

Board after your turn...

Turn Sequence: piMaster, Diggity60503

	*****************	**	*****************	**	*****************	*****************
	piMaster BUA		piMaster DUA		piMaster Reserve Army	piMaster Summoning Pool
*
	piMaster Burning Hands (Sergeant)		piMaster		piMaster Home Army Stoneskin X2
	Diggity60503's Home Standing Stones		Frontier Ashstorm Temple		piMaster's Home City
	Diggity60503 Home Army		Diggity60503		Diggity60503
*
	Diggity60503 Reserve Army		Diggity60503 Summoning Pool		Diggity60503 DUA	Diggity60503 BUA

_________________
465 dice and counting...
now 641 and counting...(the wife isn't suspicious yet)...06/05/13
649...6/12/13
Might have an actual addiction...die 1000 Gold Speed Slipper...07/04/13
Final Count 1212

[diggity60503]

Frostwing Magic Negation Roll:

Cryohydra:

Wolf Pack:


Of course now that I look at the icons available on my two units, they can't negate Magic anyhow. So I have no need to roll, correct?

Spell & Effect Expiration: None
Initial Effects: None
Dragon Attack: None

First March: At the Frontier:
Maneuver: Turn Terrain up to 8
Action: Magic:



11 Red or 7 Black (after Ash Storm):

Dancing Lights (6 Red) on your Home
Deadlands (4 Black) on the Frontier

Second March at My Home:
Roll Minor Terrain:




(If I were to not be happy with the result of the Minor Terrain roll, could I stop my March here, or do I have to complete a Maneuver roll or Action?)

Attempt Maneuver: Do you oppose?
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465 dice and counting...
now 641 and counting...(the wife isn't suspicious yet)...06/05/13
649...6/12/13
Might have an actual addiction...die 1000 Gold Speed Slipper...07/04/13
Final Count 1212

[chuckpint]

Magic Negation is only if your army containing Frostwing mages is at the same terrain as the other army attempting magic (an opposing army). So with this setup you cannot roll for Magic Negation.

Both the maneuver and action phase of a march are optional. So you can roll your minor terrain, and then not maneuver and not take an action. It still counts as a march.
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[diggity60503]

Magic Negation: Frostwings may simultaneously make a magic negation roll when an opposing army conducts a magic action. Each non-ID magic result subtracts one point from the magic generated by the other army before any other modifiers are applied to the acting army’s magic roll. If multiple players with Frostwing units roll to negate magic, only the greater of the rolls is subtracted from the acting army’s non-SAI generated magic results. Other opposing rolls are ignored.

Thanks for the correction. I was right about them not being applicable here, just for the wrong reason so to speak.

That said (and feel free to insert "because we said so" here), why isn't FW ability to negate more on par with the Dispel Magic SAI. Specifically, why shouldn't it be the unit, the unit's army or the occupied terrain?

I think this could, perhaps, be made clearer in the following way:

Magic Negation: When an opposing army at the same terrainconducts a Magic Action, Frostwing Mages (Frost Ogre, Magi, Magus & Apprentice) may simultaneously make a magic negation roll. Each non-ID magic result subtracts one point from the magic generated by the other army before any other modifiers are applied to the acting army’s magic roll. If multiple players with Frostwing Mage units roll to negate magic, only the greater of the rolls is subtracted from the acting army’s non-SAI generated magic results. Other opposing rolls are ignored.

Recognizing that saying "at the same terrain" is redundant when one looks in the glossary, I would suggest this would clear up misinterpretation closer to the surface of the game. Perhaps, I am more simple, but I think of all of my opponents armies as "opposing" especially considering that in Missile and Magic attacks they can attack from one terrain to another.
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465 dice and counting...
now 641 and counting...(the wife isn't suspicious yet)...06/05/13
649...6/12/13
Might have an actual addiction...die 1000 Gold Speed Slipper...07/04/13
Final Count 1212

[chuckpint]

I agree that "opposing" is a confusing term. However, adding a new term "Mage" is equally confusing.

As to why it's not more on par with Dispel Magic: it's in the history of Frostwings. It's part of what they do. It also ties into the reason they can't double IDs anywhere except at a Standing Stones terrain.

And of course, because we said so....
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First Place at the first ever Daemon Dice sealed starter tournament.
Battlefest tied for first GenCon 2012
Single Race Champion GenCon 2008-2009, Sealed Box Champion GenCon 2007,2009,
My collection is 21,500 Dragon Dice, 20,000 Daemon Dice, and others (too many to count).

[piMaster]

Yes, I'll counter-maneuver.
Rolled: 5 maneuver icons + 4 IDs = 9 maneuver results.

[diggity60503]

I can't beat that correct?

My Maneuver Roll:




Nothing...Remains at 5

Action: Melee:




Last time I listen to my 14yo about whether to attack.

Do you Counter Attack?
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465 dice and counting...
now 641 and counting...(the wife isn't suspicious yet)...06/05/13
649...6/12/13
Might have an actual addiction...die 1000 Gold Speed Slipper...07/04/13
Final Count 1212

[piMaster]

You bet I do.
Rolled: 2 melee icons, 5 IDs, Counter.
Eleven melee results at you.

[diggity60503]

8 Saves x 2 = 16 Saves

Retreat/Reinforce...

Cryohydra to Reserves
Harpies and Wolf Pack to My Home


Turn Sequence: piMaster, Diggity60503

	*****************	**	*****************	**	*****************	*****************
	piMaster BUA		piMaster DUA		piMaster Reserve Army	piMaster Summoning Pool
*
	piMaster Burning Hands (Sergeant)		piMaster		piMaster Home Army Stoneskin X2 Dancing Lights
	Diggity60503's Home Standing Stones		Frontier Ashstorm Temple Deadlands		piMaster's Home City
	Diggity60503 Home Army		Diggity60503		Diggity60503
*
	Diggity60503 Reserve Army		Diggity60503 Summoning Pool		Diggity60503 DUA	Diggity60503 BUA

End My Turn
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465 dice and counting...
now 641 and counting...(the wife isn't suspicious yet)...06/05/13
649...6/12/13
Might have an actual addiction...die 1000 Gold Speed Slipper...07/04/13
Final Count 1212

[piMaster]

Start of my turn.
Ashstorm and Stoneskins expire.
First march at my home.
Magic action.
Rolled: 8 magic icons, Cantrip
Cast: Open grave on my army at the wastelands, Ashstorm on frontier.

Second march at diggity's home.
Attempt to maneuver. Do you wish to counter?