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[Drachenwurfel]

When i cast Necromantic Wave, and rolled with one unit in the army the spell is casted on, a cantrip, will it be damage, instand magic or both?

[piMaster]

Cantrip does not count as normal magic results during a melee attack, thus Necromantic Wave does not apply to it.

The Cantrip would be resolved as usual (instant spells are cast).

[Drachenwurfel]

But doesn´t Cantrip only during non magic actions bring a special action?
During magic actions it brings "normal magic"

[piMaster]

During a magic action or magic negation roll, Cantrip generates normal magic results. In this context, Necromantic Wave has no meaning because melee results are ignored during a magic action.

The only time Necromantic Wave's effect is applied is during a melee attack or a melee avoidance roll (for example, Wall of Thorns). In those cases however, Cantrip does not generate normal magic results, and thus Necromantic Wave does not apply to it.

[Drachenwurfel]

thats it, thank you

[DEEPBLUEB2]

If Necromantic wave is cast apon an army....
and a magic unit has burning hands,
then can they double their melee results?

ie...if the mage rolled 3 magic, and had burning hands,
would this "converted magic to melee" be doubled to 6 melee?

[chuckpint]

Jim, remember the order of modifiers:

Subtract
Divide
Multiply
Convert
Add


Since Necromantic Wave converts magic to melee after the Multiply step, it cannot be doubled. Also, unit modifiers (like Burning Hands) happen first (the entire order above), then army modifiers. Since Burning Hands modifies a unit, if that unit has normal melee results, it is doubled before army modifiers. Let's take a simple example:

Army has 2 units, Lava Elf uncommon mage, and a Lava Elf uncommon heavy. Both units have Burning Hands cast on them. Necromantic Wave is cast on the army. An opponent has cast a Palsy and a Blizzard on the army. During a melee attack, the two units are rolled, and one gets 4 melee, the other 4 magic. First unit modifiers are applied, and the melee is doubled to 8. The army modifiers are applied. The melee has one subtracted down to 7 due to the Palsy. That melee is halved down to 3 (in Dragon Dice drop all fractions) due to the Blizzard. The magic is converted to melee by the Necromantic Wave , for a final melee result of 7.
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[cliffwiggs]

[DEEPBLUEB2]

[chuckpint]

If you are making a unit roll (almost always an avoidance roll), then army modifiers don't apply.

Racial abilities are a bit of a mixed bag. They do however for racial abilities that convert, talk about results. If you are making an unit roll, results apply during the unit convert phase, since there is no army convert phase. If you are making an army roll, then unit convert does not happen for racial abilities, it's applying to the army's results.

Note that your question about the 8th face is special. Read the section on the 8th face, and you will find that unit rolls are specifically excluded from getting 8th face modifiers. Like most game rules, a specific rule always overrides the general rule.
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First Place at the first ever Daemon Dice sealed starter tournament.
Battlefest tied for first GenCon 2012
Single Race Champion GenCon 2008-2009, Sealed Box Champion GenCon 2007,2009,
My collection is 21,500 Dragon Dice, 20,000 Daemon Dice, and others (too many to count).

[chuckpint]

[DEEPBLUEB2]

well I just meant it can't use the racial ability since it is in the DUA,
this is a common mistake I was just pointing out.

As far as I know...nothing removes a racial ability from a unit...
also nothing removes original color from a terrain.


So grammatically...it loses the "use" of the racial ability. (tied to the terrain)

[cliffwiggs]

[Drachenwurfel]

When i use your list on Frostwing Magic Negotiation, then i must first substract and then double magic, right?

[piMaster]

Yes.