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[willpell]

If you keep more than a few armies standing at a time, chances are you're going to run a little low on dragons. And even if you have as many of the 12-siders as you could possibly need, there's a limited variety. Before SFR came along, there were only 10 different dragons; they added the Ivories, the Whites, and now the Hybrids and Ivory Hybrids, so the pickings aren't slim anymore. Even so, more expansion in this field would be nice; dragons and terrains are the only parts of the game that you absolutely must use (there being no shortage of units to choose from), so variety is crucial here.

I'm hesitant to mention some of my other creations on these boards, because there's a fine line between contributing ideas I'd like the SFR crew to pick up (like my new colored dragonkin breath) and giving away designs that I might theoretically eventually be able to *sell* to them. (Not ruddy likely, I know, but still, a boy can dream.) However, I figure it's pretty safe to share this design here, since Chuck and others have made it clear that they're in no big hurry to commission new molds, which is exactly what this idea would require, so I can trust they won't be ripping it off anytime soon.

Here are my three new dragon designs:

Wyvern: This drakelike dragon omits the two front claws in favor of a third tail and a new icon called Snatch. When the Wyvern rolls Snatch, its owner chooses a nonmonster unit in the defending army which is carried off by the Wyvern and devoured in midair. The Wyvern carries its meal far off enough to be immune to the army's attack this turn, and then returns to a terrain of its owner's choice at the end of the turn. These fast flyers' ability to move themselves makes them unpredictable and powerful.

Hydra: Don't even pretend you've never wanted a dragon with two Jaws. Well that's just what this is: the two-headed Hydra has not only two Jaw icons, but two Breaths as well! However, to compensate for all this power, it gains a third Belly icon (one for each neck and one for the body) as well as its Treasure. The beast has only two hind Claws and two Tails to round itself out. Despite its vulnerability, it's still scary-powerful.

Serpent: This legless dragon has an amazing five tails, though its three-face-long Belly will show up fairly often because of this; even so, all that flailing makes it deadly-unpredictable, and gives fair odds of a roll ending in a deadly Breath, or even landing on Jaws for 15 or 18 or maybe 21 damage! The last two icons are Coils - victims trapped by the Serpent's writhing form. These icons function much like the Coil SAI with a value of 5 damage; a Coiled victim applies its counterstrike damage to the Serpent without its automatic saves, so between this and the three Bellies, Serpents are the most vulnerable dragons. Even so, if you're a gambling man, the promise of Tail after Tail on almost half your rolls is an offer you're hard-pressed to refuse; when Serpents work, they really work, and nobody can afford to take them for granted.
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[Deeghter]

Hmmm....while I certainly find the idea of having more dragons to choose from (you can never have too many dice ) thrilling I must say that actually it's not necessary (from my perspective).

I used to have 6 of each single colored dragon and wyrm (before the hybrids were released) and it prooved to be way enough to play with up to 60 health armies with 4 players.

I find it more thrilling to have more units available, respectively more races.
These are the dice you play with the most.

Instead of throwing in a new dragon once or twice in a game, I'd prefer to just use different (and new) races throughout a whole game.

On the other hand, I generally hardly use dragons/wyrms in my games, I hardly get lucky with my dragon rolls and they proved to be of little success whenever they're MINE! (very few exceptions!)

So maybe it's just me, but I certainly don't need more dragons.
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[willpell]

[Deeghter]

But the point is:

If a small upcoming company like SFR wants to expand, they have to offer dice with a good cost/demand relation.
Something like producing 3, or let's say 5, new dragons wouldn't be worth the costs for new molds (the neverending story, LOL).

Except for hard core collectors, these new dragons would be bought by just a few players.

If you release a new race, it's much more interesting to the majority of players.

We've had a lot of very good and promising ideas posted here during the past few years, and probably some of them are stored away for possible later use, but first thing right now is to get as much value out of the least possible investment.

BUT I HAVE AN IDEA!!

Why not selling Dragon Dice licenses?

If somebody would like to spend a couple of thousand bucks for a handful of new dice, let them do it themselves under license of SFR!!
Of course the ideas would be thoroughly checked if they wouldn't mess up gameplay and -balance.

CHUCK??????
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[chuckpint]

We've tried licenses. Both for a d20 game, and for a computer game. Neither got anywhere. Also, no one wants to give us money up front for that. It was going to be some percent of sales. Which turned out to be zero.

So I won't say no to a good proposal, but I'm also not going to spend a lot of time trying to find any one to buy a license either.
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You can never have too many dice.
First Place at the first ever Daemon Dice sealed starter tournament.
Battlefest tied for first GenCon 2012
Single Race Champion GenCon 2008-2009, Sealed Box Champion GenCon 2007,2009,
My collection is 21,500 Dragon Dice, 20,000 Daemon Dice, and others (too many to count).

[Deeghter]

I see!
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[KilljoyKing]

Isn't the Hydra already an Amazon monster? That hasn't been changed when I wasn't looking, has it?

I know there's gotta be some sort of multi-mawed dragon out there, preferably one who is only duplicative in head, not name.
Amphisbaena might work. At the very least, it would make for an interesting arrangement across the twelve faces.


Really tho', these are the first intelligent concepts I've ever seen for dragons of a different dice layout -- not just color and breath rules. (Or twenty-some sided, which would be monstrous -- and in Dragon Dice, monsters always equal bad~!) Kudos. I'm sure SFR will be rushing your designs out as soon as they can figure out which plastic pellets they can use to press out different icons from their old molds. That'd solve all of their problems...
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