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willpell · common Joined: 29 Nov 2008 Posts: 180

I've finally gotten to the section on SAI resolution, which partially answers a prior question about Cantrips. But now I'm pissed, because according to the rules, if two players are making avoidance rolls simultaneously, neither one of them gets to use any rolled cantrips! This is really stupid. The justification for the rule is listed as "because the order in which both players would resolve these results cannot be determined". Okay, that's a reason why if both players roll cantrips, neither cantrip works (the two mages are trying to do too much at once and their magics cancel each other out). But it doesn't explain why if two players are making the roll and only one of them produces a Cantrip result, that sole Cantrip should be ignored, while if the other player hadn't been rolling it would have counted. This rule needs to be tweaked for less "consistency" and more common sense.
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chuckpint · Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:23 am GMT Post subject:

I don't understand your problem here. What difference does it make whether only one gets a Cantrip or not? The overriding rule is simpler. If you both roll at the same time, no one gets a Cantrip. Your way would be more complex, and leave the door open to even more complex "solutions".

Common sense tells me to go simple.
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willpell · common Joined: 29 Nov 2008 Posts: 180

chuckpint · Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 10:09 pm GMT Post subject:

OK, let's make sure we agree on one thing. Two (or more) Cantrips going off at the same time is a bad thing. If we agree on that, then we can have a discussion. Otherwise this will go nowhere.
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willpell · common Joined: 29 Nov 2008 Posts: 180

eggsaladsandwich · Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:33 pm GMT Post subject:

Why cant you just say the "acting" player (whose turn it is) gets to resolve his cantrip first? Or better yet...gets the choice of resolving his cantrip 1st or second.

by the way...when would you and your opponent have a simultaneous roll anyway? Confused

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piMaster · Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:18 pm GMT Post subject:

chuckpint · Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:45 pm GMT Post subject:

It may happen to two (or more) players, none of whom are the acting player (in fact, it's almost always the case).
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eggsaladsandwich · Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:52 pm GMT Post subject:

DEEPBLUEB2 · Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:29 am GMT Post subject:

this should have been a brain bender....

well I thought I heard it mentioned that when there are ties...it goes in playing order.

So winning the maneuver roll is important. Wink