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[dutchjohn]

Well I haven't played enough games to build the ultimate army. I just put a few dice together that I think work well and that is it. No deep strategy here. But making the perfect army is an art so I wanted some of you to present your most glorious army here and tell why it can't be beat or why it can be beat but only in a specific bad roll situation

enlighten me!
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[cliffwiggs]

There is no such thing as the 'perfect army'

there are armies that are better in certain situations, and there are armies which win more than they lose and some that lose more than they win, but no army is perfectly unbeatable in all situations.

even an army which wins 90% of the time today may lose 90% of the time three years from now (we've seen it at competition) because the types of armies people play vary over time.

its like a very large multifaceted game of rock-paper-scissors.
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[dutchjohn]

let us boast about our unbeatable army today and bite the dust tommorow after all the army was the best yesterday.

still please show me your "best army ever" and tell us why.

you have a favorite don't you

Actually I want to know the reasons why unit A was chosen above unit b to be put in the army. The psychology of the commander so to speak.
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[cliffwiggs]

I have several 'stand-by' armies I will use.

Trolls,FireShadows and phoenix is popular.

All Slayer is popular

All common dw/le mag/cav is popular

really anything mag/cav is popular

amazon runners is popular

frostwing heavy is popular

however my favorite is LE mag/light

I like red and black magic the best, they are both direct offensive colors and defense does not win the game. I like the light because it has counter and decent maneuvers too, so two for one. and necromantic wave is a game turner.
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[DEEPBLUEB2]

Oh it's that guy again...
I'll be brief...

this question is exactly the same question I asked...
there should be an army section on the new website...
anyways...
rather bore everyone with reposting...
just follow the links

http://sfr-inc.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=214

http://sfr-inc.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1905

http://sfr-inc.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1055


I might add one new thing though...
it seems to be more popular today than ever...
the army setup seems to have abandoned the horde in defense of a homestand...
although the Acolytles my change that...
so army set up may be as important as the actual dice.

[chuckpint]

Also take a look at the "Introductions" for each of the races in this topic. They have a lot of hints for building a great army around that race.
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[dburkley]

[Lord_Arkanon]

Yes, these are all good examples, but what about a mixed race army? I have found in a 60pt game, it is quite easy to build an "ultimate army", and here's how:

focus on their racial properties and how to benefit each other,

Example 1. Lava Elves and Dwarfs make for great allies, and here's why, both are heavy in maneuvers, missile, and melee if built right, you can crush an army if you have picked the right homeland terrain. I.E. the right type of 8th face icon for what you have built your army for, and the right terrain type for your army, I.E. And for this you need Highlands, because both benefit from it,. Lava Elves get maneuvers as saves, and the Dwarves get double maneuvers.

Example 2. Ferals and Swamp Stalkers can be massive troop generators, and get this it's at the start of every turn. Isn't that great? If any dead units are in the dead units are that match the armies at any terrain. You can use feralization for the Ferals and either bring in a single unit or or promote a unit to one higher in that army at any terrain. also the swamp stalkers have mutation, which is awesome for the guy who sits back in the reserves and casts his magic, the Swamp Stalkers use troops in the reserves as fuel for their regeneration, and can generate up to three points of health back to your army. So that'd be another six units back from the dead right at every next turn.

Example 3.Goblins and Undead, what a fearsome sight at your front door. This combination, I have found can be deadly. The Undead, with the power to step damage, and resist burial, and close to unstoppable melee power. The goblins double maneuvers, missile and assisted magic power, makes it easy to get the advantage on a terrain, all this and use the standing stones of swamplands since both are hard core casters and once it hits the 8th face, cast deadlands and both races can generate double black magic without burying your units and your undead can cast either xolor of the terrain and then you have an army that can dominate a table in under an hour.

Basically what i'm trying to say is that to make a perfect ultimate army is every DD players dream, just research your dice and how they play and you'll find your own "ultimate army"

[cliffwiggs]

[DEEPBLUEB2]

I think was Cliff has said really shows how a game like Dragon Dice,
allows anyone to still have a chance.
I've played against some Net Decks..in Magic the Gathering..
and let me tell you...
the mechanical game is stacked against you.

The Ultimate deck is nothing more than a Playtested Rule oriented Machine.
Which will win 9 out of 10 games.

In Dragon Dice...these armies can all be defeated.
All of them.

Nice Words of Advice Cliff...

[DEEPBLUEB2]

I have found that by using armies created by other players..
I have the best results.

Why is this...?
well I choose armies that have won contests...

I do change them though.
My first World's had all my favorite dice...
the beholder was even in it.
I think I won 2 games...
back then you had to play many games,
and then there was a second day (Sunday) that you had to play even more games.
So it depends on the tournamnet layout as well...
I personlly don't think the armies are truly tested in the present format...
(although the winner is decided in a few hours this way)...
as the amount of games played to win the tournament are very few.
So that needs to be considered now when you build an army (the ultimate army for that format)...
some amies don't need the test of time...rather just a few breaks (the terrains for instance) is really enough to win a tournament.

I do create my own armies,
but I suggest using an already successful army sometime...
you might even win.

I could not understand how anyone could use sunflares or sunburst in an army, and win......as they have no saves...
so I tried it and won as well.

[DEEPBLUEB2]

I'm not sure the names of the formats...
one's called Alpha...
but I remember when I won sealed box...
I lost my first game to Jonathan.

In the present format...
it's almost sudden death playoff...
one loss and you might as well forget about winning the tournamnet.

You really need to be undefeated to win the tournament.
I like the idea, that you can still win...if you had a bad start...
also the games lately were 40 minutes...
another factor.

Like anything..Experience will improve your playing...
but knowing the layout really helps.
So by choosing armies that have already won...
this gives you a terrific shot at not only gaining experience...
but a possible victory as well.

[dutchjohn]

[DEEPBLUEB2]

[dutchjohn]

well with a case of twelve kickers with 11 dice I can only hope for 132 different dice however that would be a statistical impossibility.

but then again statistically impossible does not mean impossible at all it means chances are slim.

anyway I got mail they shipped today so US to the Netherlands will take a week or so


They are in. and it seems I need 2 more cases to get the collecting piece complete by then I hope to have enough extras to have a playing set.
However I need to wait for my next payday.

Now I see acolytes have very specialised functions so this calls for new strategies.
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[Jula]

[chuckpint]

He's referring to a Dragonslayer.
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First Place at the first ever Daemon Dice sealed starter tournament.
Battlefest tied for first GenCon 2012
Single Race Champion GenCon 2008-2009, Sealed Box Champion GenCon 2007,2009,
My collection is 21,500 Dragon Dice, 20,000 Daemon Dice, and others (too many to count).

[cliffwiggs]