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[dead_mike]

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[deputyfife]

I'm not sure whether there is a "fix" for the dragon or not; I'll just say that I don't summon them. I had over 21 MP in one of the most recent games I played, and decided I'd rather cast multiple lightning strikes than summon multiple dragons. Just not worth it.
What you are saying *sounds* fine, except that very often 2 dragons are still fairly worthless in a 36-hp game. They both have to roll some damage to be worthwhile. Let's face it, you aren't going to waste your MP and time sending a dragon to that terrain where your opponent has 4 commons goofing off right now. You are going to send dragons, if you sent them at all, to one of the terrains your opponent has concentrated on, where most likely they have 15-20 hp of dice. breath would do something in that case, but unless your opponents' army is a bunch of magic and missile units, they will probably save vs. most anything else.

[Deeghter]

I'm afraid there's no reasonable way out of this problem. Now they're too weak, when strengthened one might end up seeing all opponents sitting in the reserves, rolling for magic and let the dragons do the work.

Hmmmmmm, must be pretty tough to get a balance between these!
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[dead_mike]

We played a game recently where all three of the five remaining players had eventually retreated all their units to their own home terrain (playing 'Canadian' as I heard it referred to on this forum - which is kind of funny because we were playing in Canada). Every other terrain had at least 1 Dragon on it. Basically each player had to figure out, how do I keep my own 8th face and still make a move to one of the other terrains without being wiped out by magic and dragons? The Dragons in that game played a huge factor - split your force wrong and you would be the next one out. It was a pretty humorous situation, and I remember a few of the players going for a Dragon-infested terrain with the prayers of 'Belly, Belly' under their breath.

I think the Dragons are fun, exciting (nothing like rolling a few tails in a row to build excitement), and can hold their own in the game. If Dragons do need to be changed, I don't think applying a mathematical scale during game play is the right answer. Maybe they need different levels of dragons like they do other units - Drakes do the current damage, Wyrms would do something more, and Ancients (or whatever) would do some insane amount. Then you could have spells like Summon Blue Drake (7 MP), Summon Blue Wyrm (15 MP), and Summon Blue Ancient (24 MP).

I definitely don't agree that a 7 cost spell in a 24 health game should get you a weak Dragon while a 7 cost spell in a 60 point game should get you an tough Dragon though (as suggested above). Otherwise you are scaling the power of summoning Dragon's twice in a larger game - once based on total health and once based on more health resulting in more MP.



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[deputyfife]

Just out of curiosity, but couldn't anybody generate enough magic to move one of the dragons from one terrain to another, and then move reserves to the vacated terrain? You must be getting good dragon rolls, because it seems like 6 dice or so are enough to at least fend off any dragon attacks besides the very worst ones, and have an outside shot at killing one.

Basically, dragons for me are something I just don't use, and doubt I ever will. Sort of like an Ormyrr, but not as extreme....

But apparently most expandable/collectible games are like that, following a general 30/60/10 rule, where 30% of figures/cards/dice are used in tournaments, 60% are generally used outside of tournament play, and 10% are only used "for fun."

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