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Matthias Maccabeus · rare Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 1551 Location: Nebraska

Home Army -
Elephant (4)
Wolverine x 2 (6)
Badger x 3 (6)
Weasel x 2 (2)
Troll x 2 (8.)
Dragonlord (4)

Home terrain - Flatland Temple

Horde Army -
Buffalo x 3 (9)
Elephant (4)
Troll (4)
Phoenix x 2 (8.)
Dragonslayer (4)

Campaign army -
Weasel x 1 (1)

proposed frontier terrain - Flatland Vortex

Summoning Pool
Gold Drake x 2
Gold Wyrm
Blue Dragonkin Champion
Gold Dragon Champ
Blue Dragonsteed
Blue Dragon Mount
Blue Dragon Hero
Blue Dragon Troop
Blue Dragon Scout
Gold Dragonfoal
Flatland Woods
Coastland Village
Highland Village
Swampland Forest
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cliffwiggs · Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:52 am GMT Post subject:

No pressure...

you know what...

I would like to play a variation of an army that PiMaster played a few years ago... "Passive Aggression"

I know I'm at risk of losing playing an army for the first time, but it was an interesting army and I'd like to see how you handle it...
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cliffwiggs · Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:18 am GMT Post subject:

I can't help but sabatoge myself, so I'm forcing this to be an all common army, just to show you don't need SAI's to win. (however it is all magic, I'll play another day to prove you don't need magic)

Summoning
3 Ivory Wyrm
10 Black Dragonfoal
10 Gold Dragonfoal
Highland Bridge
Flatland Bridge
Wasteland Bridge
Feyland Bridge

Home - Highland Standing Stone
15 Apparition
10 Weasel-folk
5 Adepts

Frontier - Flatland Grove
15 Apparition
9 Weasel-folk
5 Adepts

Horde
1 Weasel-folk
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cliffwiggs · Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:21 am GMT Post subject:

looks like you could have 5 more dkin if I'm adding it up right. its 1/3 health, so 20...
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Matthias Maccabeus · rare Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 1551 Location: Nebraska

No I'm good. I don't own any more blue or gold dkin. I just got the minors and Eldarim champions this last week and want to try them out.
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piMaster · Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:53 am GMT Post subject:

cliffwiggs · Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:38 am GMT Post subject:

you didn't, its my name; but it'll be know that forever now. and you were the first I saw to try the concept, so it'll always be your army to me.

I originally was building it with all cantrip units, but I noticed I was trying to do too much. an army like this has to be 'focused'.

I will do the board tomorrow. I've got to go renew my tag before I get pulled over.
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Matthias Maccabeus · rare Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 1551 Location: Nebraska

Works for me, though I did just read that trumpet only works on Feral units. At least I had my first duh! moment before we started. (I NEED TO QUIT READING THE BGG SHORT CUT SHEETS!!) You think I would learn that by now...

Question - What if both elephants roll trumpet? Do you double it twice or double it once and add them together?

Let's say I get 6 melee with the buffaloes and 2 trumpets with the elephants. Do I double it to 12 with the first trumpet and then 24 with the second or do I double it once (so add 6 more) twice and make it 18? I'm guessing the 2nd option and it's only 18.
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cliffwiggs · Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:09 pm GMT Post subject:

at the risk of being wrong (again) I'm going to answer from memory w/o looking it up.

I don't believe trumpets stack. infact I think the official rulebook has an example about double trumpets.

do you wanna tweak your army based on your new understanding?
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Matthias Maccabeus · rare Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 1551 Location: Nebraska

Example: During a save roll, two Elephant-Folk units each roll a Trumpet SAI. Since the Trumpet SAI specifically targets multiple
units in the army containing these Elephant-Folk with an effect that multiplies results, the effects of two Trumpets cannot be
combined to quadruple the save results generated by any Feral units in this army.

It says they can't be combined to quadruple the effect but can you still use the second trumpet for a +6 (from the previous example)?
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chuckpint · Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:28 pm GMT Post subject:

If you roll 6 melee and get two (or more) Trumpets, you get to double once to 12. The extra Trumpets are ignored. Trumpet does not add, it multiplies. All SAIs that divide or multiple can not stack with themselves. However, two different effects (SAI, spell, or whatever) can stack. So if there were a spell that caused all the melee of the army to double, it could be combined with Trumpet, and then you would get quadruple results.
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Matthias Maccabeus · rare Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 1551 Location: Nebraska

Ok thanks Chuck.

Cliff it's OK with you I'd like to change the army just a tad.

I'll keep the 2 elephants but can I switch one out with a Troll in my home army?

Edit - I changed it in my original post. Let me know if you want me to change it back.
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cliffwiggs · Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 4:14 pm GMT Post subject:

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cliffwiggs · Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:07 am GMT Post subject:

Hey, look Jim its a Cliff army. I only have three units.

See if I got all your units correct then roll your horde (who will beat mine) and make your decision.

Buried/Summoning	Reserves	Dead
Horde	Campaign	Home
(Standing Stones)	Frontier (Vortex) (Grove)	(Temple)
Home	Campaign	Horde
Dead	Reserves	Buried/Summoning

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Matthias Maccabeus · rare Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 1551 Location: Nebraska

Geez That's a lot of units...

Horde Roll -
Slayer - ID
Phoenix - ID / smite
Troll - saves
Elephant - saves
Buffalo - 4 maneuvers / 3 maneuvers / 3 melee

15 total.

I'll go first.

Terrain at home - 4 missle.
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cliffwiggs · Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:55 am GMT Post subject:

Had we not both brought flatlands to the frontier would you have considered ever going second? I'm just curious...

I'll pick my terrain.

Highland Standing Stones-6 Melee (crap)
Flatland Grove-2 Magic (better)
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cliffwiggs · Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:57 am GMT Post subject:

Bring on the pain, you got one turn.

Buried/Summoning	Reserves	Dead
Horde	Campaign	Home
(Standing Stones)	Frontier (Grove)	(Temple)
Home	Campaign	Horde
Dead	Reserves	Buried/Summoning

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Matthias Maccabeus · rare Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 1551 Location: Nebraska

I don't want to say no for sure but it would be highly doubtful that I would have done anything else but go first.

First March at my home attempt to maneuver -

Lord - Cantrip
Troll - save / maneuver
Elephant - melee
Wolverine - 4 magic / 2 saves
Badger - 3 melee / 3 magic / 2 saves
Weasel - ID / Magic

5 which is more than you can get with one weasel. I manuever up to 5 melee.

Debating whether I should attack or not since you'll just feralize him back into another army. Though as long as he is here he can cause problems with Wind Walk, etc. So I guess I'll smash the poor weasel.

Melee attack at my home -
Lord - ID
Troll - regen / save
Elephant - Trample
Wolverine - Cantrip / 3 magic
Badger - 2 magic / 2 saves / 2 saves
Weasel - melee / melee

so 10 + Cantrip. With the Cantrip I cast Wind Walk on my army at your home.

Second March at your home - attempt to maneuver -

Slayer - Sneak attack
Troll - melee
Phoenix - Fly / ashes
Elephant - Trample
Buffalo - ID / 4 maneuver / 2 saves

15 + 4 = 19

(waiting for counter maneuver before I finish my action)
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cliffwiggs · Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:03 am GMT Post subject:

You are a very wise person.

This is where I might regret not having included cantrip units (which would make a huge difference here and would be a very different game has this terrain come up lower)

Adept-1 Maneuver
Adept-1 ID
Adept-1 Magic
Adept-1 Magic
Adept-2 Magic
Apparition-1 ID
Apparition-1 Magic
Apparition-1 Melee
Apparition-1 Magic
Apparition-1 Magic
Apparition-1 ID
Apparition-1 Melee
Apparition-1 Save
Apparition-1 Melee
Apparition-1 Melee
Apparition-1 Magic
Apparition-2 Magic
Apparition-1 ID
Apparition-1 Magic
Apparition-1 ID
Weasel-folk-1 Save
Weasel-folk-2 Magic
Weasel-folk-1 Save
Weasel-folk-1 Save
Weasel-folk-1 ID
Weasel-folk-1 Melee
Weasel-folk-1 Save
Weasel-folk-1 Melee
Weasel-folk-1 ID
Weasel-folk-2 Magic

As expected you got the maneuver., but man I can't wait to get a magic roll like that.
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