SFR, Inc.

Skawilly · Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 8:45 am GMT Post subject: Champion questions

Are there any advantages for taking a hunter over a slayer, or a master over a lord? I mean they are there to effect and defend against dragons, the colorless ones are simply it. to say a 2 pt. face ID matters I dunno. The other thing, I read them and their logos I could not find anything about them being immune to that breath color, is that gone?

chuckpint · Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 11:51 am GMT Post subject:

It's right in the description of the Dragonslayer and Dragonhunter on page 27 of the rules:

Skawilly · Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 12:09 pm GMT Post subject:

I simply dont know how I missed it, I apologize. Here is a question for you, do the Crusaders and Lords (colorless champions) cause "resist fear" to the colored dragonkin?

cliffwiggs · Posted: Fri May 20, 2011 12:23 pm GMT Post subject:

note: they aren't colorless (assuming you mean the whites), they are actually all colors.

and a 2pt ID vs a dead face (except on individual rolls) is a huge deal to many people. so if you value that, it would be why you choose one over the other.
_________________
Multiplayer Champion Gencon11/Battlefest Champion(tied) GenCon10/World Champion GenCon07/National Champion Origins05/Intermediate Champion GenCon02/Novice Champion Origins99

Skawilly · Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 8:54 pm GMT Post subject:

First off, I figured out how I missed the "Immunity to breath attacks". I just now found out that only the Slayers/huters have that power, and the Lords/Masters are listed first and I assumed they all had it. I just wanted to clear that up.

But about the 2 pt. ID on the non-white die, can they be killed by impale/decapitate when their sfr/tsr's come up?

piMaster · Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:00 pm GMT Post subject:

Skawilly · Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:01 pm GMT Post subject:

What about slay or scare? How does that effect it.

piMaster · Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:02 pm GMT Post subject:

Skawilly · Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:04 pm GMT Post subject:

I posted that 2nd part right as you posted, sorry. But this brings me back to a post I asked a little while ago about adding up magic pts. If its not a face ID, but an SAI that acts as a face ID, then they would A: Not be negatable, and B: Count as 2 pts. of magic, which I was told they are not SAI's at the point being rolled outside of a dragon attack, that they are face ID's.

I mean, either way you go with what it is there is a significant meaning behind it.

piMaster · Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:04 pm GMT Post subject:

Okay, I should probably expand upon that.

The logo face is like Create Fireminions, except when casting magic (in which the logo face has an additional effect (it could be doubled)).

Skawilly · Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:26 pm GMT Post subject:

"The logo is considered a 2-point ID on the 'masters, 'hunters, and 'zealots. It is not therefore a magic-producing icon, but an ID-like icon." - Chuck Pint

I just feel that this clarification is important. Either its an SAI that counts as a face ID and PiMaster says, or its a standard face ID aside from it only being 2 pts. as Mr. Pint says.

I appreciate the follow up answers.

Will

piMaster · Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:30 pm GMT Post subject:

Perhaps the wording of the logo SAIs should be altered to make it more clear.

Skawilly · Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:34 pm GMT Post subject:

Every SAI is most definitely its own rule, followed by a set of generic rules. I agree with you though on this one. Because both directions have in fact effected my game play. Until Mr. Pint said they DONT count as 2 pts. of magic I was counting it as 2 pts. as it were. Then impale did come up on that and I let it go but certainly its one or the other. I appreciate your feed back.

chuckpint · Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:35 pm GMT Post subject:

"ID-like" is not saying it's an ID. It's a SAI that acts like an ID, in so far as doubling magic is concerned. It is not an ID. I'm going to say that again. It is not an ID.

Skawilly · Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:38 pm GMT Post subject:

So then, it can be adjusted by dancing lights/Ash Storms? Or as SAIs go its immune?

chuckpint · Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:40 pm GMT Post subject:

The comment about being a 2-point magic icon was about the rule for maximum health of mages in your army. It does not count as a "magic-producing" icon because it is "like" an ID. It's a bit of a fine point, but an important one.

In any case, that's exactly why it's written the way it is. So that it can generate any normal results and be doubled like an ID, but not be an ID.
_________________
You can never have too many dice.
First Place at the first ever Daemon Dice sealed starter tournament.
Battlefest tied for first GenCon 2012
Single Race Champion GenCon 2008-2009, Sealed Box Champion GenCon 2007,2009,
My collection is 21,500 Dragon Dice, 20,000 Daemon Dice, and others (too many to count).

piMaster · Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:41 pm GMT Post subject:

Skawilly · Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:47 pm GMT Post subject:

Well whatever, you guys are cool and I keep buying dice.

Skawilly · Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 11:15 am GMT Post subject:

Just a quick question honestly.

"The Dragonslayer is immune
to all dragon and Dragonkin breaths."

Just thinking about the reasons behind this, as each color hunter is immune to their color of breath and Slayers are all colors, does this mean they are also immune to ivory breath, as it is the absence of color? I know the rule is clear, just curious.

On a similar note, white dragons rules state that only white eldarim effect them, does this also constitute the breath immunity for the color champions?

piMaster · Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 6:11 pm GMT Post subject:

Dragonslayers are immune to all breaths, which includes ivory.

White dragons can only be targeted by the effects of the white Eldarim champions (slaying, taming, and control). Breaths, however, are not part of the dragon itself; they're more like an SAI effect. If a dragonhunter matches one of the colors of the white dragon's breath, then that color is negated, though the rest will get thru.