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NMcCoy · Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:25 pm GMT Post subject: Ivory Dragonkin

Ivory dragonkin will fight any dragon, and can be summoned by any (single) color of magic. However, the ivory kin are as capricious as they are versatile - when an ivory dragonkin rolls a belly result, it returns to the summoning pool after the roll has been resolved.

Katsu · Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:16 pm GMT Post subject:

Love the idea of having Ivory Kin - I hadn't thought about that.

Hybrid kin I had thought of but had not thought up a good hybrid rule for them.

Drachenwurfel · uncommon Stockholder Joined: 25 Feb 2007 Posts: 970

Ivorys dont make any sence, why bring collored if you have Ivorys?
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NMcCoy · Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:39 am GMT Post subject:

Because colored dragonkin won't spontaneously abandon you the way ivories will.

Drachenwurfel · uncommon Stockholder Joined: 25 Feb 2007 Posts: 970

Why should colored Dragonkin abondon you?
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Drachenwurfel · uncommon Stockholder Joined: 25 Feb 2007 Posts: 970

Why should colored Dragonkin abondon you?
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DarkKindness · Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:13 am GMT Post subject:

That's the point - the normal, colored dragonkin won't abandon you, but his proposed rules for ivory dragonkin have them abandoning you any time they roll belly, to act as a disadvantage and balancing point for the ivory dragonkin.
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cliffwiggs · Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:21 am GMT Post subject:

then the opposite question applies. why would you ever summon ivory? doesn't seem worth the risk of them disappearing.
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NMcCoy · Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:34 pm GMT Post subject:

Because they won't ever get shut down by dragons, and they can be summoned with any color (making them easier for Amazons, for example, to bring in). I tried thinking of several balancing methods, but this one struck me as reasonably simple, flavorful (ivory kin don't have loyalty to anyone, you or dragons), and would work with the dice as they are (not requiring new molds to produce, and playtestable with existing dice).

If anyone has other proposals for how they'd work, I'd love to hear those too. Smile

Skawilly · Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:47 pm GMT Post subject:

I was actually not sure where to post this but haha I found an actual thread. My thing is there should be (Not Ivory, but white (all colors)) dragonkin champions. It only makes sense due to the eldarim champions.
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DEEPBLUEB2 · Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:55 am GMT Post subject:

Skawilly · Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:08 am GMT Post subject:

What are those concerns? The only one that comes to mind is that they can't defend against any dragon but I am sure some thing canbe done
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DEEPBLUEB2 · Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:27 am GMT Post subject:

Concern 1: would be, can a white Dragonkin Champion move a white dragon with its SFR logo?

Concern 2: would be, what is the casting cost of a white dragonkin champion?

the health?

does it deal double damage?

can a white dragonkinchampion ever roll without resist fear,
since it matches all the colors?

these are just off the top of my head...the list goes on...

can an elemental dragonkin rare promote to a whitechampion?

Skawilly · Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:34 am GMT Post subject:

Ah ya breath.... I looked that over quickly. And the breath alone raises the concern about the summon cost but then that raises the question of the under cost of white eldarim
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NMcCoy · Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 10:37 am GMT Post subject:

So, been thinking more about ivory dragonkin. I hadn't realized that ivory dragons shut down all normal dragonkin; this makes ivory dragonkin (which will fight anything) a worthwhile and tactically interesting option, in my opinion. Will try playtesting them next time I get the chance, and report how it goes.

Aesthetically, I was thinking that ivory kin would have dark crimson ink, thus a) being visually distinct from Amazons at a glance and b) looking totally badass.

Skawilly · Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 12:16 pm GMT Post subject:

Ivory kin would probably be of amazon colors
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SpazzyP · Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:24 pm GMT Post subject:

Been thinking about that for a while now and just found this thread. But what if an ivory dragonkin cost four points of any color magic to summon. But when facing a dragon, if there is at least double the points in health of Ivory dragonkin then they "calm" the dragon and nothing happens. If there is more than one dragon only one dragon would be "calmed" and the other would fight. But since your dragonkin were calming the other they would not take part in the other dragon attack.