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stormywaters
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| piMaster wrote: | | cliffwiggs wrote: | I ear mark this concept to be reviewed for 3.0
If you can't cast the same spell more than once then it is for a reason. We shouldn't allow a player to get around that by combining the same effect from different spells. |
The reason that rule is in there is to allow you to combine reanimate dead/spark of life/breath of life/water of life to resurrect multi-health units. Otherwise, you would have to resolve them seperately, which would mean that 1 spark + 1 breath could only reanimate two common units.
The easiest fix would be to change one of the spells so that they don't have identical effects. |
We're discussing this over here:
http://sfr-inc.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3242 |
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cliffwiggs
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:17 am GMT Post subject: |
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| piMaster wrote: | | cliffwiggs wrote: | I ear mark this concept to be reviewed for 3.0
If you can't cast the same spell more than once then it is for a reason. We shouldn't allow a player to get around that by combining the same effect from different spells. |
The reason that rule is in there is to allow you to combine reanimate dead/spark of life/breath of life/water of life to resurrect multi-health units. Otherwise, you would have to resolve them seperately, which would mean that 1 spark + 1 breath could only reanimate two common units.
The easiest fix would be to change one of the spells so that they don't have identical effects. |
I don't disagree with you. all those resurrection spells need to be stackable. and are castable multiple times in a single action.
My point was that if I can't cast tidal wave twice in one action to double its effect. I shouldn't be able to stack similar effects. I want to simplify 3.0, not complicate it with another rule. So revisiting the spells themselves is the right solution.
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cliffwiggs
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:58 am GMT Post subject: |
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Lich-3 Magic
Lich-3 Melee
Lich-3 Melee
Lich-3 ID
Lich-3 Magic
Lich-3 Magic
Heucuva-3 Melee
Bronze Medallion-4 Logo
Bronze Medallion-4 Logo
Bronze Medallion-4 Sortie
Bronze Medallion-4 Logo
Bronze Medallion-4 Wayfare
so many freaking logo's all wasted...
I'm too busy to do the math, so since I can't stop it, count the ID's as saves and step my health back in.
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Matthias Maccabeus
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:07 am GMT Post subject: |
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| cliffwiggs wrote: | Lich-3 Magic
Lich-3 Melee
Lich-3 Melee
Lich-3 ID
Lich-3 Magic
Lich-3 Magic
Heucuva-3 Melee
Bronze Medallion-4 Logo
Bronze Medallion-4 Logo
Bronze Medallion-4 Sortie
Bronze Medallion-4 Logo
Bronze Medallion-4 Wayfare
so many freaking logo's all wasted...
I'm too busy to do the math, so since I can't stop it, count the ID's as saves and step my health back in. |
So that looks like 7 saves (Sortie + ID) - 1 (Ash Storm) = 6 Total
16 - 6 = 10 Total, so 3 Lich's go to DuA. 1 Medallion goes to BuA. 1 Apparition comes back. Is that correct??
And Terrain drops to 6.
Reserves - Everything at Pi's home (except 1 Knight) goes to Reserves.
Somebody double check all that with Cliff's army. I'll update the board this afternoon.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:57 am GMT Post subject: |
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| Matthias Maccabeus wrote: | | cliffwiggs wrote: | Lich-3 Magic
Lich-3 Melee
Lich-3 Melee
Lich-3 ID
Lich-3 Magic
Lich-3 Magic
Heucuva-3 Melee
Bronze Medallion-4 Logo
Bronze Medallion-4 Logo
Bronze Medallion-4 Sortie
Bronze Medallion-4 Logo
Bronze Medallion-4 Wayfare
so many freaking logo's all wasted...
I'm too busy to do the math, so since I can't stop it, count the ID's as saves and step my health back in. |
So that looks like 7 saves (Sortie + ID) - 1 (Ash Storm) = 6 Total
16 - 6 = 10 Total, so 3 Lich's go to DuA. 1 Medallion goes to BuA. 1 Apparition comes back. Is that correct?? |
No, Cliff doesn't loose a medallion. The stepped damage ability means that one of the liches killed is immediately exchanged with the apparition, so Cliff always had at least five units in the army. (see Exchanging Units from the DUA in the rules) |
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Matthias Maccabeus
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:32 pm GMT Post subject: |
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If anything looks wrong let me know.
Pi's turn
| ***************** | ***************** | ***************** | ***************** | ***************** | ***************** | ***************** | | Stormy
Summoning Pool
     | Stormy
DUA
   | Stormy
BUA
| | Matthias
BUA
| Matthias
DUA
| Matthias
Summoning Pool
       | | Stormy
Reserve Army
| | | | | | Matthias
Reserve Army
  | | * | | Stormy
Home Army
     | | Matthias
| | Stormy
| | Matthias
Home Army
  Woods | | Cliff
| Stormy's Home
 City | Pi
| | Cliff
| Matthias's Home
 Temple | Pi
| *
* | | | | Stormy
| | Matthias
| | | | Cliff
| Frontier
 Dragon's Lair | Pi
       | *
* | | Stormy
| | Matthias
| | Stormy
| | Matthias
 Bridge | | Cliff
Home Army
  
Restless Dead / Necro Wave | Cliff's Home
 Standing Stone
Ash Storm (Matthias) | Pi
| | Cliff
| Pi's Home
 City | Pi
Home Army
| | * | | Cliff
Reserve Army
| | | | | | Pi
Reserve Army
 | | Cliff
Summoning Pool
      | Cliff
DUA
| Cliff
BUA
| | Pi
BUA
| Pi
DUA
| Pi
Summoning Pool
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cliffwiggs
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:25 pm GMT Post subject: |
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| Matthias Maccabeus wrote: | If anything looks wrong let me know.
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well, all my liches are dead, but that's not your fault.
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Matthias Maccabeus
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:26 pm GMT Post subject: |
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| cliffwiggs wrote: | | Matthias Maccabeus wrote: | If anything looks wrong let me know.
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well, all my liches are dead, but that's not your fault. |
Actually I think it is... 
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piMaster
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:42 pm GMT Post subject: |
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1st march w/reserve army:
magic:
7 magic icons
2 points of ID
Cast 4 Watery Doubles on my frontier army.
2nd march @ frontier:
turn terrain up.
Reserve phase:
Everyone from reserve goes to frontier.
I end my turn. |
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Matthias Maccabeus
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| Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:53 pm GMT Post subject: |
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Cliff's turn -
| ***************** | ***************** | ***************** | ***************** | ***************** | ***************** | ***************** | | Stormy
Summoning Pool
| Stormy
DUA
| Stormy
BUA
| | Matthias
BUA
| Matthias
DUA
| Matthias
Summoning Pool
| | Stormy
Reserve Army
| | | | | | Matthias
Reserve Army
| | * | | Stormy
Home Army
| | Matthias
| | Stormy
| | Matthias
Home Army
Woods | | Cliff
| Stormy's Home
City | Pi
| | Cliff
| Matthias's Home
Temple | Pi
| *
* | | | | Stormy
| | Matthias
| | | | Cliff
| Frontier
 Dragon's Lair | Pi
Watery Double x 4 | *
* | | Stormy
| | Matthias
| | Stormy
| | Matthias
Bridge | | Cliff
Home Army
| Cliff's Home
Standing Stone
Ash Storm (Matthias) | Pi
| | Cliff
| Pi's Home
City | Pi
Home Army
| | * | | Cliff
Reserve Army
| | | | | | Pi
Reserve Army
| | Cliff
Summoning Pool
| Cliff
DUA
| Cliff
BUA
| | Pi
BUA
| Pi
DUA
| Pi
Summoning Pool
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cliffwiggs
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:44 am GMT Post subject: |
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guess its my turn huh?
first march in reserves - magic
Lich-3 Melee
Lich-3 Magic
Lich-3 Magic
Heucuva-3 Magic
Apparition-2 Magic
Bronze Medallion-NA
11 black magic = 3*3reanimate (a lich) + 2* wasted
second march at my home
manuever attempt?
I'm not trying to be sneaky with wayfares so I'll just post my manuever.
Lich-4 Cantrip
Lich-3 Melee
Lich-4 Cantrip
Heucuva-2 ID
Apparition-1 Save
Bronze Medallion-4 Wayfare
Bronze Medallion-4 Flurry
Bronze Medallion-4 Sortie
Bronze Medallion-4 Sortie
Bronze Medallion-4 Sortie
4 + 2 - 1 = 5? I'll assume you'll beat me, but if you don't turn it up to 7 (going for it!)
melee either way.
Lich-4 Cantrip
Lich-3 Save
Lich-4 Cantrip
Heucuva-2 Magic
Apparition-1 ID
Bronze Medallion-4 Wayfare
Bronze Medallion-4 Logo
Bronze Medallion-4 Logo
Bronze Medallion-4 Wayfare
Bronze Medallion-4 Wayfare
a perfect roll. 1 melee - 1 ashstorm = 0 - so you don't get to roll for saves.
but first the cantrips... 8 undead + 8 medallion
(8+1) to bring back a lich.
6 to cast a mire on frontier
1 wasted
Any counter attack?
either way - pull reserves to my home.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:08 am GMT Post subject: |
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| cliffwiggs wrote: | but first the cantrips... 8 undead + 8 medallion
(8+1) to bring back a lich.
6 to cast a mire on frontier |
One of my Unicorns says "no thanks" to the Mire. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:30 am GMT Post subject: |
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| piMaster wrote: | | cliffwiggs wrote: | but first the cantrips... 8 undead + 8 medallion
(8+1) to bring back a lich.
6 to cast a mire on frontier |
One of my Unicorns says "no thanks" to the Mire. |
sigh. I had to try.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:26 pm GMT Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I know. If I owned more than two unicorns, I'd probably have three in this army. They are quite versatile. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:21 pm GMT Post subject: |
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| I'm not opposing the maneuver, nor am I counter-attacking. |
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Matthias Maccabeus
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:11 am GMT Post subject: |
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Turn Sequence: Stormy, Matthias, Pi, Cliff
| ***************** | ***************** | ***************** | ***************** | ***************** | ***************** | ***************** | | Stormy
Summoning Pool
| Stormy
DUA
| Stormy
BUA
| | Matthias
BUA
| Matthias
DUA
| Matthias
Summoning Pool
| | Stormy
Reserve Army
| | | | | | Matthias
Reserve Army
| | * | | Stormy
Home Army
| | Matthias
| | Stormy
| | Matthias
Home Army
Woods | | Cliff
| Stormy's Home
City | Pi
| | Cliff
| Matthias's Home
Temple | Pi
| *
* | | | | Stormy
| | Matthias
| | | | Cliff
| Frontier
Dragon's Lair | Pi
Watery Double x 4 | *
* | | Stormy
| | Matthias
| | Stormy
| | Matthias
Bridge | | Cliff
Home Army
| Cliff's Home
 Standing Stone
Ash Storm (Matthias) | Pi
| | Cliff
| Pi's Home
City | Pi
Home Army
| | * | | Cliff
Reserve Army
| | | | | | Pi
Reserve Army
| | Cliff
Summoning Pool
| Cliff
DUA
| Cliff
BUA
| | Pi
BUA
| Pi
DUA
| Pi
Summoning Pool
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:58 pm GMT Post subject: |
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Okay, my home to 7.
Attempt Cliff's home to 8:
Unicorn: Dispel Magic
Noble Willow: 2 Melee, 4 Saves
Nymph: 2 Maneuver, 2 Maneuver, 1 Melee
Gold Medallion: Flurry, Wayfare
Wayfare will take Unicorn to my Home. 4 Maneuvers. |
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cliffwiggs
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:07 am GMT Post subject: |
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countering
is that ash still on this terrain? either way...
Lich-4 Cantrip
Lich-3 ID
Lich-3 Magic
Lich-4 Cantrip
Lich-3 Melee
Lich-3 Magic
Lich-3 Magic
Lich-3 Save
Heucuva-2 Save
Heucuva-3 Melee
Apparition-1 ID
Apparition-1 Magic
Bronze Medallion-4 Flurry
Bronze Medallion-4 Logo
Bronze Medallion-4 Sortie
Bronze Medallion-4 Flurry
Bronze Medallion-4 Logo
Bronze Medallion-4 Logo
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Matthias Maccabeus
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:31 am GMT Post subject: |
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| cliffwiggs wrote: | countering
is that ash still on this terrain? either way...
Lich-4 Cantrip
Lich-3 ID
Lich-3 Magic
Lich-4 Cantrip
Lich-3 Melee
Lich-3 Magic
Lich-3 Magic
Lich-3 Save
Heucuva-2 Save
Heucuva-3 Melee
Apparition-1 ID
Apparition-1 Magic
Bronze Medallion-4 Flurry
Bronze Medallion-4 Logo
Bronze Medallion-4 Sortie
Bronze Medallion-4 Flurry
Bronze Medallion-4 Logo
Bronze Medallion-4 Logo
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Cliff you were supposed to defend that so that I could go over and try and stop Pi, but now I have to go over to try and stop stormy form getting a second... *SIGH*
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cliffwiggs
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:42 am GMT Post subject: |
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I tried. I'm really surprised that all those medallions couldn't stop 3 stinking maneuvers.
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