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[stormywaters]

So I just traded for a slew of Frostwings, and I thought I'd ask some advice on build with them. Also, any races particularly well-suited to pair with them?

Here's what I've got to work with:

2x Wolf Pack
1x Cryohydra
1x Yeti

3x Devastator (Heavy Missile)
3x Vindicator (Heavy Melee)
1x Bear Master (Cavalry)

5x Magus (Magic)
3x Dispatcher (Heavy Missile)
3x Defender (Heavy Melee)

8x Apprentice (Magic)
6x Advocate (Heavy Melee)
3x Destroyer (Heavy Missile)

So I picked up Heavy Missile, Melee, and Magic, figuring they're a pretty fast race as it stands. So what would you guys play? I thought Mages + Melee, but I picked up Missile for some extra options.

Thoughts?

[piMaster]

I usually go for a mages/melee mix. Lava elves should mix in nicely.

[stormywaters]

Lava Elves, huh? Are we just looking for Necromantic Wave, or do they serve another purpose?

[piMaster]

Dancing lights compliments the frostwing's anti-magic, burning hands helps give those melee units extra punch. Lava elves are good at melee too.

[stormywaters]

Ah those are all very good points! Thanks for the tip!

Would you split the armies into half-magic, half-melee, or do one full magic and one full melee?

[DialFforFunky]

I feel kind of odd planning an army this way. I feel that the plan has too little context. Not that half mages/half melee doesn't work, but when I start planning, I usually try to think of how I want a game to go?. Do I want the first turn? Do I let my opponent capture an 8th face? Are there any SAI's or spells I want to plan around? Specifics like that are thinks I want to incorporate in my plan.

For instance, I could take an army with 50% frostwings (mostly mages, some melee) and 50% scalders (some mages, mostly light melee rares). I'd let my opponent capture an 8th, but I'd send over the charkins and most of the frostwing mages to that terrain the turn the opponent will captre the 8th. The rest of the mages is kept on a low terrain casting protective magic and dancing lights (ideally, they've summoned dragonkin earlier). That way your opponent is 'trapped' on the 8th, being unable to properly use melee nor magic, nor even missle all too well. with a wolf pack, you could just wait untill you get a rediculous result to smash the opponent right off the 8th.

So the question isn't really "what do I want my army to look like?", but rather "what do I want the game to look like?". I feel I've missed a few words though, as I can't really express this sentiment all too well. I hope the general message is clear enough.


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[stormywaters]

That's a very insightful take on things, Funky. I always thought you just built an army considering what you expect to face, or to plan for contingencies.

However, I guess what I'm looking for is what the initial setup would be, not what the army construction would look like. How do I split the forces I've decided on? I'd like to win the horde roll, so I can either steal a first turn or force an opponent onto an unfavorable terrain.

So I thought my mages would go the Frontier and my Melee would hit the Horde roll. I can always redistribute them as the game progresses, but it gives me a good starting position, especially if they dump their mages at the campaign for safety.

[Matthias Maccabeus]

See and I like Amazons with my Frostwings with a Flatland Tower and Standing Stone.
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[DEEPBLUEB2]

The plain simple wolf pack devastator can be vicious.
(focused melee)

I just opened too many kickers with those two...
maybe they were trying to tell me something.

I've seen piMaster place a Remorhaz at the frontier with frostwing missiles...
once you get the frontier to an 8th...(wind walks from the reserves)
if your opponent attacks you at the 8th in melee...
counter melee attack is deadly with swallow...
otherwise you missile the army.

So it looks like about three armies there.

Split it up into more specialized forces.

[stormywaters]

[DialFforFunky]

[ddicerc]

My son plays a magic/missile mix. It is somewhat terrain roll dependent, but it works when your opponents are all playing melee and you're the one with the monkey wrench to toss in. (It worked at Nationals a few years ago.)

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[piMaster]

[Zero_Dynasty]

I agree with matthais, I love them with amazons. What's nice is a lot runners, at your home. I keep the frostwings in the reserves to help cast wind walks and bring stuff back until I get the 8th face. The frostwing mages are nice because they have a range face, so they aren't useless during a range attack. I try and finger or lightning bolt their guys that could hinder the full power of amazon maneuvers on an eigth face
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[stormywaters]

Okay, I'm going to try:

5x Magus
8x Apprentice

3x Battle Rider
3x Envoy
6x Charioteer

1x Flatland Standing Stones
1x Flatland Tower

[Zero_Dynasty]

looks good, but dont forget the runner has better chance for doing man/range, i run 18 of them
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[Matthias Maccabeus]

[DEEPBLUEB2]

[stormywaters]

[stormywaters]

Looking at the dice, isn't the Charioteer a better common than the Runner? It's got the same number of Maneuvers, but divided over more faces. It doesn't have any Missile faces, but at your own terrain that doesn't matter so much.