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Skawilly · Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 6:29 am GMT Post subject: Save the Trolls!

I heard the nastiest thing on the grapevine. I am not liking what I hear.

This is a real campaign to NOT nerf trolls.

They are good dice. They dont break the game in any way. Turning regen into a "Rise from the Ashes" thing is just going to ruin it. So they res well. Who else does this? These are one of the few things that make even considering non mage armies even thinkable. That and all monster armies (Which generally lose most of the time).

I am not too worried about the above though. Regen is one of the only decent army assist SAI's in the game. Its regen/trumpet/and soon charge. Everything else is a 1 dimensional 4 pt. something small time...

This will only force the hand of the gold medal, which is better anyway in that its 25% percent (33% in a melee strike), it cannot but struck by spells and it has an option to un bury if the res is not too worth it. The only 2 down sides is that it does not double maneuvers on swamps (Trolls are 20% moves anyway) and it cannot work in reserves.

This is not about the gold medal though. Trolls are very good right now. No trash on them with a sweet SAI. But they are not broken either.

SAVE THE TROLLS!!!
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DialFforFunky · rare Joined: 11 May 2010 Posts: 1992 Location: Groningen

If the intention is really to turn Regenerate into Rise from Ashes, then I agree with your sentiments. The troll is one of the few alternatives to mages, and giving even more power to gold medallions would probably be a bad idea as well.

On the other hand, I do think there is an opportunity for change. I do think regenerate is a good deal above the power curve, perhaps a bit too much so. And I also think it is possible to fix this while still preserving the Troll as a powerful piece. I think turning the Regenerate to 3 health, or lower health dice, would be a great change. Changing the SAI to some sort of delayed timing would also help out, as it prevents the 'Inflatable Troll Army'-effect, where one troll can bring back a whole line of trolls. All these changes preserve the current flavour of the Troll while turning it down just a notch.

edit: another option would be to limit it to Goblins only (like Wild Growth), but I think this option would both be too drastic, and of too little help in regard to some of the specific problems Regenrate creates.

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chuckpint · Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 8:01 am GMT Post subject:

Don't know where you heard that, but it is not something that any of the SFR Board of Directors or company officers have stated in any forum. Some players may have discussed it, but there are many other things that have been discussed by our fan base that are just that, discussions.

There are no plans to change Regenerate.
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Skawilly · Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 8:23 am GMT Post subject:

stormywaters · rare Joined: 22 May 2011 Posts: 1403

I disagree that Trolls are fine the way they are. They can regenerate each other, and negate huge amounts of work in one shot. I understand why Trolls originally had the Regenerate they have now, but that reason no longer exists. The flavor doesn't make sense either. Why would a Troll be able to bring other people back to life?

I dislike the idea of SAIs that bring things back to life like that anyway. Recovering lost units is supposed to carry weight, to be costly, to slow you down. Regenerate works on most rolls and brings back a lot. I dislike it on the gold medallion as well.

For the record, I was never suggesting that it be anything like Rise from the Ashes. I wanted it to be a "At the start of your turn, if this is in your DUA, roll this. If Regenerate comes up, this unit joins any of your armies." That would be "Regenerate", it would be useful, and it would fit in line with what a Troll (according to the original source mythology) is expected to do: not stay dead when it's been killed. It would mean the Troll would fall back to its rightful place as a Troll: a melee combatant that is really hard to keep dead. Not a supplemental necromancer who resurrects your fallen soldiers.

All of this is moot anyway. I've mostly stopped playing, as I feel like none of the issues are being addressed. There is a vocal crowd who feels like keeping things the same because "it's good enough like it is", so it'll continue to stay the same. If it took as long as it did to get hybrids fixed, there isn't much hope for anything else to change anyway.

See you guys later.

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Skawilly · Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 8:58 am GMT Post subject:

MM, come on man. He is not saying they are the ultimate take all.
He was just saying they are not balanced with other monsters.

@stormy I have heard that from more than 1 source. And i do understand where your coming from.
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Skawilly · Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 9:29 am GMT Post subject:

AH, dude sorry mate. I thought you were saying 'I want your trolls that always roll regen'. Makes sense when you point it out.
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Tielner · Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:05 pm GMT Post subject:

I am a lucky bastard to posess 3 Trolls Very Happy

In my club these three lads are almost unbeatable. Two are out, one brings them back. And anybody else Very Happy

I never understood why a troll in DD should be able to regenerate anything in the DUA. It would have been enough to regenerate all goblin dices but not the other races too ...