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[TheLazyhase]

Hello.

An unit A roll Coil and use it against another unit B who roll Counter.

Do Counter count as save only ? As save or melee at your choice ? As both ?

Coil :

[piMaster]

Since it is melee attack roll, Counter will generate both melee and saves against the coiling unit.

[TheLazyhase]

Then, an additional question.

If I use Bash on an unit with Counter, and the unit roll Counter on the save roll, do I do counter damage ? And in this case, who receive thoses damage ? The opposing army, the unit who have done the bashing, the bashed unit ?

[DialFforFunky]

[TheLazyhase]

[chuckpint]

At that point it's not an army roll it's a individual roll. So all Counter would do is provide saves since it's technically a Save Avoidance Roll.
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[DialFforFunky]

[TheLazyhase]

[chuckpint]

The roll defending against Coil is a combination melee/save roll. That is defined by the description of Coil. That is what allow Counter to both generate melee and saves against Coil.
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[TheLazyhase]

[chuckpint]

By definition, a combination melee/save roll has as one component, a melee attack roll. The other half is a save roll. And a melee roll and a melee attack are not the same thing. A melee roll is either a melee attack or melee avoidance. A melee roll is any roll which is looking for melee results. So a dragon attack is a combination melee/missile/save roll. Which means you are looking for those 3 results.
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[TheLazyhase]

Thanks !

[TheLazyhase]

[chuckpint]

Sorry, I should not have said the combination roll had a melee attack. It has a melee roll. This is important. Against Coil, it becomes a melee avoidance not a melee attack. A melee attack is defined as something that happens with the entire army:

[TheLazyhase]

Thanks.

Again, I am sorry to ask so many question. They tend to arise because I am trying to implement every SAI, and all too often when I test, it lead to that kind of question. That and the fact I tend to read the rule like I would read magic or L5R cards.

[TheLazyhase]

[chuckpint]

They mean opposing army. So yes, they can target any enemy army at a terrain, not just the defending army.
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My collection is 21,500 Dragon Dice, 20,000 Daemon Dice, and others (too many to count).

[TheLazyhase]