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cliffwiggs · Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 2:20 pm GMT Post subject: Daemon Dice Rules 0.8b

I know the 'Brain' item is still under discussion, but here is the wording the way I proposed it. Seems simple and straight forward. I started to write it up to exclude the spikes, but this still seems cleaner.

I'm also releasing a draft of the Booster rules (i.e. more races). I don't like the timing issue of the Blood and Fester abilities, but it seemed the most direct way to address it.

I will work on formatting and tweaking the expansion rules for the items next...

http://www.sfr-inc.com/DaemonDiceStarter_0.8b.pdf
http://www.sfr-inc.com/DaemonDiceBoosters_0.8b.pdf

Adding the expansion rules:
http://www.sfr-inc.com/DaemonDiceExpansion_0.8b.pdf
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cliffwiggs · Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 2:29 pm GMT Post subject:

Looking for input on the Wraith daemon (ie this replaced Lash).

The original intent was a daemon that could not lose via minuses by having one piece always remaining to roll. That's obviously not the way it ended up worded and in hind sight I wonder if that original concept was too strong. However, is the current incarnation too weak?
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piMaster · Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 10:36 am GMT Post subject:

piMaster · Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 10:42 am GMT Post subject:

Blood daemon ability: looks like you changed it. If I read it correctly, no matter how many wounds a blood fiend inflicts, it can only recover one die?

cliffwiggs · Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 12:36 pm GMT Post subject:

cliffwiggs · Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 12:45 pm GMT Post subject:

Dolus · Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 12:57 pm GMT Post subject:

I think just one die is good enough. If we let it stack, it could get ridiculously powerful. Of course, we could playtest the idea. Wink

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cliffwiggs · Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 9:21 am GMT Post subject:

ddicerc · Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 9:50 am GMT Post subject:

For the Wraith ability, perhaps allow it to ignore one rolled minus result. That way it could ignore a Lung (2 minuses) or a Wing (targeted minus).
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cliffwiggs · Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 9:52 am GMT Post subject:

cliffwiggs · Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 2:07 pm GMT Post subject:

Note to self: didn't we change to avoid using Dodge, avoid, deflect? THis is still on some symbols (eye,tail,scythe)

Also, the Expansion rules are posted (in draft form). So Pi, you can point out any issues that they might introduce.
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cliffwiggs · Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 8:57 am GMT Post subject:

Dolus · Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 9:28 am GMT Post subject:

chuckpint · Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 9:42 am GMT Post subject:

That works for body parts, but will not work for items. Given that many of the items cause a wound, it's a major problem.
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cliffwiggs · Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 9:58 am GMT Post subject:

chuckpint · Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 2:13 pm GMT Post subject:

Don't know why I didn't see this earlier. The starting text uses "devilish race". Anyone that has played D&D knows that Demons and Devils are very different races. And it's not a race, but a breed. So it should say "daemonish breed".

Brain: if we are allowing multiple dice to be affected instead of only a single die, then we should not allow a Spike to be added to a Brain-guided attack.

Eye: "A daemon's Eye shoots a ray that causes one stun damage and any plues added to it are doubled! The ray cannot be blocked, but enough dodges or deflects can defend against it."

Tail: use same as the last sentence above.

Fester: I simply think that the ability should only work against body parts. While it's tougher to bring back items, losing an item only really affects your attacks. Losing a body part means you are closer to defeat. Also getting a stun against a body part is confusing. For example, which is stunned if it suffers a wound from a Spiked Arm? The Arm or the Spike? I'm sure you and I would agree that the Spike is stunned, but SDA could argue that it's the Arm.
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cliffwiggs · Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 12:19 pm GMT Post subject:

chuckpint · Posted: Tue May 14, 2013 2:40 pm GMT Post subject:

I'm fine with the Blood just recovering one die. That's in line with most of the other breeds. However, since it first has to actually get a Wound to go through, it does weaken it quite a bit. I'm not sure I want to put an limit on it other than 1, it seems too arbitrary. The original was that a Blood Mouth recovered 2 not the normal 1. I understand we wanted to move away from making that one body part too powerful. How about going 180 from this and saying that for each Wound it causes an additional Stun (as it sucks blood from the other daemon)?

As far as the Wraith, I think it should allow you avoid any one minus. I think that minus is one of the more powerful things in the game. There is no defense against them, and they prevent you from rolling some dice, which means other attacks are more likely to get through and you also may have less offense. I've seen more games won because of minuses than by someone taking out all the body parts. So this one is fine by me.
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cliffwiggs · Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 8:39 am GMT Post subject:

Just to clarify, Wraith is a -1 to the minuses, not allowing one die to slip though. So a Wraith can still lose due to minuses. It is just one result harder to do.

On Blood, I was leaning towards putting it back to one per wound with no limit. I'd rather not limit it...

For the suggestion of an extra stun per wound... that sounds like a bruiser ability (ie a potential new breed someday).

When I redid all the breeds it was to spread out the breeds among different game mechanics. So changing this would mean that there is no breed which has a recover type ability.

it is food for thought...
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