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Matthias Maccabeus · rare Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 1551 Location: Nebraska

1. I get attacked by a wolf pack that rolls howl. My only save roll is a counter. Do I lose it?
2. A dragonne knight rolls 4 Fly at an 8th face in a melee save roll. Does the attacker take 8 damage?3. A Charkin rolls counter during a melee save roll on an 8th face. How much damage does the attacker take?
4. A dragonne knight w/ flaming armor rolls save icons (during a melee save roll) does the damage back double? Quadruple at an 8th?
5. If a Firewalker has Flaming Armor in a melee roll does he double the attack value if he rolls normal save icons?

I think that's it for now, but I'm sure more will pop up. Thanks ahead of time!
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chuckpint · Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:28 pm GMT Post subject:

1) No. SAIs cannot change the results from other SAIs.

piMaster · Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:34 pm GMT Post subject:

Matthias Maccabeus · rare Joined: 18 Mar 2011 Posts: 1551 Location: Nebraska

Thanks so much guys!! I was actually right on all of them (for once!!)
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dburkley · Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:37 pm GMT Post subject:

I'm pretty confident on these answers:
1. I get attacked by a wolf pack that rolls howl. My only save roll is a counter. Do I lose it? No. The SAI is unaffected.

Scorching Touch: Scalders, when rolling for saves during the attack phase of a melee action, generate one point of damage for each non-ID save result back against the attacking army. Only magical saves protect against this damage.

When more than one modifier is in effect, apply them in the following order:
Modifiers that subtract: results can never be negative; 0 is as low as a result can go
Modifiers that divide: round down
Modifiers that multiply
Racial abilities: that either multiply or count one result as another
Modifiers that add

2. A dragonne knight rolls 4 Fly at an 8th face in a melee save roll. Does the attacker take 8 damage? Yes.

Counter: Normal (melee, save, and dragon attack); Special and Normal (save against melee attack)
During a melee attack or melee avoidance roll, Counter generates melee results. During a save roll, Counter generates save results. During a save roll in a melee attack, Counter immediately generates both save results and melee results upon the attacking army or unit. Only magical saves protect against this damage. During a dragon attack, Counter generates save and melee results.
3. A Charkin rolls counter during a melee save roll on an 8th face. How much damage does the attacker take? 4 from the Counter SAI and then 8 from the Scorching Touch. These would be two separate events, so magical saves from Stoneskin will impact both events.
4. A dragonne knight w/ flaming armor rolls save icons (during a melee save roll) does the damage back double? Yes. Quadruple at an 8th? Yes (2x's from Faming Armor and 2x's from the 8th Face effect)

Flaming Shields: Firewalkers may, during a melee attack, count save results (only from actual save icons, not ID icons or SAIs) as if they were melee results.
Flaming Armor Casting Cost: 4 Spell List: Lava Elf
Target one of your units not already under the effects of a Flaming Armor spell. The target unit’s save results are doubled. This spell remains in effect until it is used by the unit or until the unit generates non-SAI save results needed by the army. Multiple castings target multiple units.
5. If a Firewalker has Flaming Armor in a melee roll does he double the attack value if he rolls normal save icons?
Yes, and if those results were used, it would consume the Flaming Armor spell. The player has a choice to use the results or not, since the racial ability says "may".

EDIT: I see I posted at the same time as Chuck & Brad, but did not finish before them... I agree that the wording of the Firewalker racial ability will need to be clarified if it is intended to not trigger the Flaming Armor in this example.
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chuckpint · Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:39 pm GMT Post subject:

Skawilly · Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:03 pm GMT Post subject:

Flaming armor affecting Firewalkers is thankfully not that big a deal of a loophole. Some of these loopholes are a lot to handle.

Like Egg has deemed so and is now famous, the Krakatoa maneuver.
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