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cliffwiggs · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:14 pm GMT Post subject:

No, it says 'sent'. In a promotion it isn't sent, it goes willinging.

I'm sure that the glossary defines 'sent' somewhere, but as I don't read glossarys I can't say.
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piMaster · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:48 pm GMT Post subject:

No, the word "sent" is not defined in the glossary or anywhere else in the rules. The word sent isn't used too often. When it is used, you can infer from its context that it means to move a die from one place to another.

cliffwiggs · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:52 pm GMT Post subject:

I understand the point you are making. The only way I know to resolve it is to say that moving a die from one place to another is different than exchanging two dice with eachother.
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chuckpint · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:29 pm GMT Post subject:

Originally, it said "killed". I forget exactly why (I'm traveling for business and it's been a long day), but we decided to get away from using that term. So let me think about this, and perhaps we need to change this wording again. Crying or Very sad

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piMaster · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:25 pm GMT Post subject:

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Just to make sure I'm doing it right, here's another Question regarding stepped damage, which occured during my last game:

I cannot use units which just arrived in the DUA for stepped damage, right?

Example:

I got 2 common Undead units in my DUA.
During an attack, a rare and 2 uncommons get killed.
I CANNOT exchange the commons for the uncommons first and then - because now I have uncommons in my DUA - exchange 1 uncommon for the rare, right??
All kills during an attack and all following stepped damage happen simoultaneously, right?
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chuckpint · Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:21 am GMT Post subject:

The last part is the most important, it's all simultaneous. Just to remind myself, I take all the units in the DUA and place together. Then I take all the ones I just killed and place together nearby. The ones that go into the DUA I place there (never to move again during this exchange), and at the same time the ones going back to the army go there. Then I'm never confused as to which ones are "used" and which are not.
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Deeghter · rare Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 2553 Location: Lost

Thank you, Chuck!
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cliffwiggs · Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:25 pm GMT Post subject:

chuckpint · Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:05 am GMT Post subject:

Ok, I've done some research into this wording. "killed" is used many places in the text. Basically it is used whenever a unit is sent to the DUA to account for damage or failure to make an avoidance roll. Both the Stepped Damage and Soiled Ground should be cases where a unit was "killed".

So unless someone can point out a problem with using "killed" instead of "sent to the DUA" for both Stepped Damage and Soiled Ground, I'm going to change both to say "killed".

Also read the Glossary (yes, you Cliff!) entry for kill/Killed. It currently reads:
Kill/Killed: These terms are synonymous with dead (i.e., a “unit that was killed” is the same thing as a “dead unit”). “Dead unit” is preferred, but “kill” or “killed” is used where it makes sense grammatically.

I think it should be updated to read:
Kill/Killed: Used to denote that exact moment when a unit takes damage or fails an avoidance roll and is sent to the DUA as a result. Note that units that are exchanged with units in the DUA (i.e. promotion) are not "killed".
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cliffwiggs · Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:50 pm GMT Post subject:

piMaster · Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:23 pm GMT Post subject:

chuckpint · Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:45 am GMT Post subject:

Updated the rules to 2.2e, effective date of today July 20, 2008. So these rules are in effect for GenCon. Cool

Changed Undead stepped damage to say "killed by any means" instead of "sent to the DUA for any reason".

Changed Soiled Ground to "killed" instead of "sent to the DUA".

Changed Glossary entry for Kill/Killed to: Used to denote that exact moment when a unit takes damage or fails an avoidance roll and is sent to the DUA as a result. Note that units that are exchanged with units in the DUA (i.e. promotion) are not "killed".

Unrelated change: Updated "Twelve-sided" under "Get to know your dice" to delete: " included in the Starter Set". Also added: "Dragons can be found in starters (single color black, blue, gold, green, red, and ivory), and as promotional dice (white, hybrid)."

This now reads:

Twelve-sided: The twelve-sided dice are called dragons. They come in two forms: drakes, which have wings, and wyrms, which are wingless. Dragons do not belong to a race. Dragons can be found in starters (single color black, blue, gold, green, red, and ivory), and as promotional dice (white, hybrid).
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