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Zero_Dynasty common Stockholder
Joined: 17 Jul 2010 Posts: 300 Location: Florence, KY

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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:01 pm GMT Post subject: Origins 2011? |
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I was wondering if you guys were wanting to do anything for origins? I know its smaller and at an odd time of the year, but I know I would be willing to help run a demo booth...and my friend would help as well I think _________________ 2nd Place World Championship Gecon 2011 (no loses) |
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cliffwiggs SFR Treasurer Chief Wheedler SDA - Rules NitPicker
Joined: 25 Jan 2005 Posts: 10794 Location: Cumming, GA - USA

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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:16 pm GMT Post subject: |
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SFR used to attend Origins every year, until the 'big bust'. for those who don't know the history, Gencon and Origins used to be 4 weeks apart and many gamers attended both. then one year Gencon moved their date closer and suddenly many gamers had to choose... guess which one they didn't choose?
so SFR lost money and our 'booth neighbor' went an entire day w/o a single customer.
Most of the exhibitors lost money, so the next year they didn't go back. The players did, but without exhibitors they were upset. so the year after that, neither showed.
That was several years ago and I have heard that it has picked back up, but it would still be a risk. Before we sunk a lot of money into getting a booth to sell product I think we should have someone attend to see what it is like. Or someone could try to run demo's/events and see what the player acceptance is like.
I know you can't sell from the event hall, but if there anything that says you can't let someone borrow a computer (on which they just happen to place an online order to be shipped after the con/or from a hotel room?)
so, are YOU planning on going to Origins? Did you go last year? How did it compare to Gencon last year?
I'm likely going to be on my tour of the midwest or just after my tour of the midwest, so I likely won't be able to take the vacation required to make it to Columbus that weekend.
however, technically.... the 'national' tournament is held at Origins and the last time it was held I won... so I've had the title for many years  _________________ Multiplayer Champion Gencon11/Battlefest Champion(tied) GenCon10/World Champion GenCon07/National Champion Origins05/Intermediate Champion GenCon02/Novice Champion Origins99 |
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dburkley rare Director
Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 1200 Location: Hillsborough, NJ

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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:24 pm GMT Post subject: |
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| cliffwiggs wrote: |
however, technically.... the 'national' tournament is held at Origins and the last time it was held I won... so I've had the title for many years  |
Would that be the US National title that's been held at DEXCON for a few years, now? _________________ Daniel Burkley
US National Champion (DEXCON 2007, 2009, 2010)
World Champion (GENCON 2008, 2009, 2010, 2013, 2014)
Battlefest Champion: DEXCON 2008, 2011, GENCON 2009, 2010 (co-champion), 2011, 2017)
"No Magicians": GENCON 2008
"Single Race": DEXCON 2008, GENCON 2010, 2011, 2014 (co-champion), 2017 |
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cliffwiggs SFR Treasurer Chief Wheedler SDA - Rules NitPicker
Joined: 25 Jan 2005 Posts: 10794 Location: Cumming, GA - USA

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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:51 am GMT Post subject: |
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| dburkley wrote: |
Would that be the US National title that's been held at DEXCON for a few years, now? |
Yes, but I remember it differently. _________________ Multiplayer Champion Gencon11/Battlefest Champion(tied) GenCon10/World Champion GenCon07/National Champion Origins05/Intermediate Champion GenCon02/Novice Champion Origins99 |
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Satyrwyld dragonmount
Joined: 02 Mar 2011 Posts: 27

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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:47 pm GMT Post subject: |
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I should be at Origins, and would be happy to help.
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chuckpint White Dragon SFR President Site Admin
Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 9187 Location: Evanston, IL

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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:59 pm GMT Post subject: |
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I will be unable to attend Origins myself. They don't have detailed event listings up yet. Judging by the categories, they don't really have games like ours. _________________ You can never have too many dice.
First Place at the first ever Daemon Dice sealed starter tournament.
Battlefest tied for first GenCon 2012
Single Race Champion GenCon 2008-2009, Sealed Box Champion GenCon 2007,2009,
My collection is 21,500 Dragon Dice, 20,000 Daemon Dice, and others (too many to count). |
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cliffwiggs SFR Treasurer Chief Wheedler SDA - Rules NitPicker
Joined: 25 Jan 2005 Posts: 10794 Location: Cumming, GA - USA

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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 5:19 pm GMT Post subject: |
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| Satyrwyld wrote: | I should be at Origins, and would be happy to help.
Dusty Youngs | Anyone who is attending this year, I would like to talk to before and after to see what the show is like these days and if we are a fit or not. _________________ Multiplayer Champion Gencon11/Battlefest Champion(tied) GenCon10/World Champion GenCon07/National Champion Origins05/Intermediate Champion GenCon02/Novice Champion Origins99 |
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Satyrwyld dragonmount
Joined: 02 Mar 2011 Posts: 27

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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 5:52 pm GMT Post subject: |
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| I've gone three of the last four years, as well as to the last two years' GenCons and several DexCons / Dreamations. Origins is roughly half the size of GenCon these days, and the dealer's room tends to be fairly well attended. The event I usually work with (TerrorWerks) has fallen into an Origins slump in the last two years, but the owners attribute this more to the inferior prereg the con placing them in the Outer Darkness than in lack of interest or attendees. I also routinely attend Camarilla LARPs there, and they are also well attended by Camarilla members and new blood alike. Overall, I'd say the con is recovering well. What else would you like to know? |
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cliffwiggs SFR Treasurer Chief Wheedler SDA - Rules NitPicker
Joined: 25 Jan 2005 Posts: 10794 Location: Cumming, GA - USA

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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:04 pm GMT Post subject: |
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Well, dragon dice is not quite like anything else out there. It's close to a tcg, but also similar to boardgames... How are those types of companies doing? _________________ Multiplayer Champion Gencon11/Battlefest Champion(tied) GenCon10/World Champion GenCon07/National Champion Origins05/Intermediate Champion GenCon02/Novice Champion Origins99 |
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dburkley rare Director
Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 1200 Location: Hillsborough, NJ

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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:27 pm GMT Post subject: ORIGINS 2011 |
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ORIGINS is June 22-26, 2011, at Columbus, OH. That's right next to my bride's birthday. I'm having my doubts about being able to make that one. (And forget about bringing my bride - she supports my gaming hobby, but she won't go to any of them.) _________________ Daniel Burkley
US National Champion (DEXCON 2007, 2009, 2010)
World Champion (GENCON 2008, 2009, 2010, 2013, 2014)
Battlefest Champion: DEXCON 2008, 2011, GENCON 2009, 2010 (co-champion), 2011, 2017)
"No Magicians": GENCON 2008
"Single Race": DEXCON 2008, GENCON 2010, 2011, 2014 (co-champion), 2017 |
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cliffwiggs SFR Treasurer Chief Wheedler SDA - Rules NitPicker
Joined: 25 Jan 2005 Posts: 10794 Location: Cumming, GA - USA

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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 8:32 pm GMT Post subject: Re: ORIGINS 2011 |
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| dburkley wrote: | | ORIGINS is June 22-26, 2011, at Columbus, OH. | Yes, chuck and I already decided we won't be able to make it. Either I will be on vacation or it will be the weekend after my vacation and I won't be able to take that much time off again. _________________ Multiplayer Champion Gencon11/Battlefest Champion(tied) GenCon10/World Champion GenCon07/National Champion Origins05/Intermediate Champion GenCon02/Novice Champion Origins99 |
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wuxia dragonsteed
Joined: 07 Apr 2005 Posts: 72 Location: New Albany, OH

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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:01 pm GMT Post subject: |
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| chuckpint wrote: | | I will be unable to attend Origins myself. They don't have detailed event listings up yet. Judging by the categories, they don't really have games like ours. |
Origins seems to have improved in several areas over the last few years. Attendance is roughly 10,500 last I have heard.
The interesting shift has been in board games. The dealer room seems to have more board game presence than ever before.
The board room ribbon sold out by Thursday night selling 1,200. They added another 300 ribbons that were again sold out on Fri.
The CCG crowd is way down. I'm not sure that would be your target audience.
Table top games are on the rapid increase. This is mostly attributed to CABS (Columbus area boardgame society) working with GAMA and Rio Grande Games to deliver a great experience.
Is it worth the price of a booth? Probably not. Organized play in high traffic areas are what draws peoples interest in a new game. Demo teams would certainly be a way to increase a player base. |
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chuckpint White Dragon SFR President Site Admin
Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 9187 Location: Evanston, IL

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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:06 pm GMT Post subject: |
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By all means if you can demo there, please do. We can see if we can get one (or more) of the game store vendors to carry some Dragon Dice. That has worked well for us at PAX Prime and PAX East. So contact Dave (dproman) if you need support at Origins. _________________ You can never have too many dice.
First Place at the first ever Daemon Dice sealed starter tournament.
Battlefest tied for first GenCon 2012
Single Race Champion GenCon 2008-2009, Sealed Box Champion GenCon 2007,2009,
My collection is 21,500 Dragon Dice, 20,000 Daemon Dice, and others (too many to count). |
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Satyrwyld dragonmount
Joined: 02 Mar 2011 Posts: 27

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Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 7:15 am GMT Post subject: |
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| Anyone else going to Origins and interested in demoing? Near as I can tell I'd be the only one there, and I'm a little wary of doing it alone... |
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Zero_Dynasty common Stockholder
Joined: 17 Jul 2010 Posts: 300 Location: Florence, KY

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Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 7:18 am GMT Post subject: |
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I might be able to on that saturday, what are the dates again? I also might have some one else also. Will there be a booth to do this at? _________________ 2nd Place World Championship Gecon 2011 (no loses) |
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Satyrwyld dragonmount
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 8:41 am GMT Post subject: |
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| Sorry, thought you told me you weren't going. No, we don't have a booth, or much of anything. Just playing/demoing in high traffic areas, probably. |
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Zero_Dynasty common Stockholder
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 9:46 am GMT Post subject: |
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Are we aloud to do that? I know people have to pay for booths and space etc, would that get mad and tell us we aren't aloud to promote the game because we didn't pay for space? Do you know the legalities of this senario cliff, chuck? _________________ 2nd Place World Championship Gecon 2011 (no loses) |
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cliffwiggs SFR Treasurer Chief Wheedler SDA - Rules NitPicker
Joined: 25 Jan 2005 Posts: 10794 Location: Cumming, GA - USA

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Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 9:50 am GMT Post subject: |
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I'm trying for 'plausible deny-ability', but its up to the con...
You can probably play anywhere, but you can't promote anywhere. its a fine line between players promoting a game and a company promoting its game. _________________ Multiplayer Champion Gencon11/Battlefest Champion(tied) GenCon10/World Champion GenCon07/National Champion Origins05/Intermediate Champion GenCon02/Novice Champion Origins99 |
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shoesan uncommon
Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 641 Location: PA

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Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 10:20 am GMT Post subject: |
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Probably best not to bother. For every new player you might get, you might also make someone mad that you are there "plausibly denying" that you are promoing a game without paying what all the other vendors are paying to promo their games. I think we would want all the friends in this market that we could get. _________________ Shoe |
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Satyrwyld dragonmount
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2011 12:08 pm GMT Post subject: |
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| So disregard earlier posts in this thread. Check. I'm still willing to meet up with anyone during some slow times and sling some dice. TerrorWerks usually sticks me on morning shifts, so I tend to be free after 1ish |
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